Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rick Mitchell (meteorologist)


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The result was   KEEP waggers (talk) 14:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Rick Mitchell (meteorologist)

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May not reach notability guideline, no refs iBen 20:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC) The closest on point guideline is the WP:AUTHOR guideline, which also covers journalists. Shadowjams (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: One quibble about the article is that it does not meet notability guidelines due to lack of references. However, this was a bit quick considering the article had been created only a half-hour before it was immediately tagged for possible deletion. However, this is no longer the case as references to some information included in the article have been tagged to the article and are in the reference list, therefore it is no longer a basis for possible deletion based on that. I might find additional websites to reference article mentions, but only a few more may be needed. Also in regard to the whole orphan article thing, I have linked the article to the WOI-TV article under "former personalities", however I should note that it would be hard to link the article to any others considering Mitchell has only worked at one other television station prior to his current stint at KOCO-TV, and his only employment in the weather industry prior to working in television was a short stint at AccuWeather. Also according to koco.com's biography on Mitchell, it states that Mitchell graduated from the University of Nebraska, come to find out that U of N has four campuses; I put him as being an alumni of U of N-Omaha, but anyone who knows which U of N campus Mitchell actually graduated from can correct the "category" tag for it. Tvtonightokc (talk) 20:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - The station's website, and YouTube assert existence, but do not meet the notability guideline. The article from the NOAA is good, but WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, which doesn't seem to exist here.  That said, a quick check of GNews came up with this: I did find one article here: http://www.edmondsun.com/local/x681830784/City-residents-prepare-for-powerful-storm, and so there may be more out there, so I will make my delete vote a weak one.  Addionne (talk) 21:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't believe that local meteorologists, or even local news anchors, are notable absent some significant coverage outside their local broadcasting area, preferably outside of their local broadcast area. If I've missed that then please post it here. Shadowjams (talk) 07:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply comment - There are articles on Wikipedia about local television meteorologists who are generally only well known within their broadcast area, such as WJW-TV meteorologist Dick Goddard, who is generally well known only to Clevelanders (sorry if that is the wrong word to reference people from Cleveland, Ohio). Local news anchors are also notable in Wikipedia article despite the fact they may not be nationally-known (though there are some exceptions, but really only in the case if they have gone to national success on news outlets such as CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, Fox News, etc.). So this does make that comment fall apart somewhat. Local meteorologists can be notable for things such as their coverage of weather events, community work, etc. and local anchors can require notability in Wikipedia for news coverage and their in-depth reporting, among other things. Tvtonightokc (talk) 19:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Evidence of other pages only suggests that they need reviewed, not that it's an applicable standard. As for local coverage, there is no local coverage language, at least not in BLPs, unlike events, although there may be in certain subcategories, such as politicians. It is, however, a criteria thrown around in lots of AfD debates, and in some essays too, I think. I've softened my above statement accordingly.
 * Noting the "significant coverage outside their local broadcast area" note, I have since added to the article a mention about Rick Mitchell and KOCO's coverage of the Lone Grove EF4 tornado that occured last February during the February 2009 tornado outbreak (I probably should add that the station was one of two that captured the Edmond EF2 tornado via helicopter the same day, I may just get to that) and though it was broadcast in the Oklahoma City metro area, the coverage was intended to be targeted to viewers in the storm's path in south-central Oklahoma who view KOCO via local cable providers as the station's signal is only available on cable in the Lone Grove area as well as it being the (well, one of the) default ABC affiliate(s) in the Ada-Sherman market, Lone Grove being in that market. I hope this satisfies that "significant coverage" note, at least a little bit. Tvtonightokc (talk) 18:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 18:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:13, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - per Shadowjams. -RobertMel (talk) 16:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to KOCO-TV. I think that most local television news hosts should be mentioned as part of the article about where they are employed.  I guess he gets points for being listed as "TV Meteorologist #3" in the movie Twister, but that goes back to his being a celebrity in Oklahoma.  Mandsford (talk) 19:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to KOCO-TV. Per above note from Mandsord.-- Steam   Iron  09:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Multiple awards, direct commendation by the Governor of a state, Minor role in a major movie, all cited to Reliable sources -- I think it adds up for notability. The coverage isn't huge, but it is IMO well above the "trivial" level. Being a statewide celebratory, as Mandsford suggests that the is, is itself a form of notability, IMO. DES (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way i note that several sources were added after the AfD began. i want to remind nominators about the importance of WP:BEFORE. DES (talk) 05:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.