Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ricky Allman (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Ricky Allman
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I am not seeing GNG notability in this BLP article, it is lacking citations. I was not able to quickly find any new RS citations. On the talk page there is a prior AFD with the result of "speedy deletion". Jooojay (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Jooojay (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment I personally don't see anything that would make this person notable according to the basic notability requirements but there are some mystical SNG's out there like WP:NPROF that may have snuck in a little five word sentence somewhere giving this guy some special privilege making him notable here. I suggest to the nominator to look at those SNG's too. I concur with their BEFORE search that nothing I see would be considered definitively reliable and independent. -- A Rose Wolf  16:12, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting . I looked at the discussion for the speedy deletion and I see where it was ruled to delete but shows up as keep on the talk page. Clearly the article wasn't deleted. -- A Rose Wolf  16:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, it was speedy deleted the first time and brought back, possibly by review, then went to AfD again and was basically upheld on procedure as the delete votes were canceled out for various reasons. -- A Rose Wolf  16:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete The LA Times article is three paragraphs but doesn't offer anything substantially different than other less reliable sources included. They do have book but I can't find where that book has received critical reviews which is important. You do not become notable simply for writing a book. I don't see where this person receives significant coverage in multiple intellectually independent reliable secondary sources. A bio/campus profile carries no more credence than a LinkedIn profile, an interview/self-published website or a social media account. -- A Rose Wolf  16:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I found another review of Allman's work: https://whitehotmagazine.com/articles/2012-ricky-allman-marine-contemporary/2616 Vexations (talk) 17:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete not nearly near enough sources to justify the existence of this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:11, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Looking through his CV doesn't find anything that might pass WP:PROF (like national-level awards or an above-full-professor title) nor anything that might pass WP:CREATIVE (like being included in the permanent collections of multiple notable museums). And the analysis above shows that WP:GNG-style notability for obtaining publicity rather than for accomplishments is also missing. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Seeing that he was in LA Times(an in-depth coverage), I did a little more searching and found more sources to add. I also found many of his exhibition listings and based on that he meets WP:ARTISTS. I think everyone is getting this one wrong. Webmaster862 (talk) 03:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment – just a reminder gallery websites and first person interviews are not reliable sources. Do we know if he is in any museum collections? I don't believe having regional commercial gallery shows is enough for meeting WP:ARTISTS. Jooojay (talk) 07:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * To Jooojay: This info was easy to find on his website. He has had 3 Museum exhibitions and many gallery exhibitions. I am not familiar with art galleries, so I cant say if any are significant, but please check his website. I have now added these museum exhibitions to his page under a new section. I also found a good coverage in Harvard Business Review, which is a credible publication. I am also aware profiles are not good as citations, but I only added them to show that he has exhibitions at those places. Webmaster862 (talk) 05:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your clean up efforts and research, Webmaster862. A lot of people have museum and gallery exhibitions for their art, my concern is notability. I am still seeing weak sourcing for GNG and WP:ARTISTS. Jooojay (talk) 11:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: Insignificant, 1-paragraph, low-information mentions really don't count (HBR).  GenQuest  "scribble" 06:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


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