Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ricky Shivers


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:52, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Ricky_Shivers
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Has no top tier mma fights and fails WP:GNG.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 10:54, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Procedural keep. This is such a poorly stated deletion reason (what's that "unrelated matter" doing here?) that I think this should just be closed, regardless of the state of the article. --Atlan (talk) 12:28, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Like ive said Portland is now trying to cover his tracks by deleting his previous edits to this page that unrelated matter "On a completely unrelated matter Dan Henderson knocked out Fedor" is a reference to a edit i made the on Dan Henderson page i changed the result from a KO to a TKO as Sherdog.com lists it when another editor and a couple of ip's undid his edits on the Fedor Emelianenko page he listed them as well as me as suspected Sockpuppets here anyway my point is that this is the true reason why he nominated this article for deletion User:PortlandOregon97217 is on a WP: Witchhunt. Entity of the Void (talk) 21:50, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * cover my tracks? Why don't you recite what you wrote on this very page recently. I only undid that because you undid all your cursing and accusing. If I was on a witchhunt I would have flagged all of the articles created by you. But since this one seems particularly weak on when talking wp:GNG i choose it. He hasn't fought in Bellator,anything zuffa, or dream. You also nominated a few articles i made (2 or 3? i forget) for speedy deletion. This is just an example of the kettle calling the pot black. and as for Fedor and Hendo I have posted my objection on both fighters talkpages and no one has responded. I have even posted on your talkpage about the matter but you don't seem like you want to hammer it out. I don't see how sherdog's database is more reliable than the sources(x3) I have provided contradicting sherdogs database. you arent even citing a news report or an interview or anything. News articles > Sherdog database PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 00:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

So you looked over the articles i created and chose this one because you thought it looked particularly weak so in other words you were in fact looking for one of my articles to tag for deletion by the way youve never said anything on my talk page unless of course youre still trying to imply that im User:Delinquent1904 i can guarantee you this is my only account also i dont care about the Fedor or Henderson pages now that theres a source Delinquent1904 is the one that keeps changing them so talk to him/her about it so why dont you just withdraw this deletion request and we can both just get back to editing Wikipedia. Entity of the Void (talk) 01:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. Perhaps I was confused. My apologies if I am mistaken. I will at least get rid of that sockpuppet investigation. I did jump the gun on that one and I chalk it up to a rookie mistake. But I will not withdraw the nomination here. It has been pointed out to me that articles that stand up to the review are stronger after the fact. And it looks weak as in it fails WP:GNG. And if you look at my comments on other fighters afd page I think I'm giving them a fair shake. Trust me if this guy had fought on TUF and had 1 notable fight I'd say keep. I don't buy the whole wp:mmanot 3 notable fight deal. Besides: do you see all those red links where fighters used to be? Theres other forces out there who are much more indiscriminate. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 04:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Well it really depends on your opinion of a notable fight he has wins over UFC veteran Rob Yundt as well as four time King of the Cage champion Tony Lopez, Lopez is also the current Heavyweight & Superheavyweight champion of King of the Cage, Shivers has also had fights against Julio Paulino, Alex Schoenauer, Falaniko Vitale and Jaime Jara 3 of the 4 Paulino, Schoenauer and Vitale have all fought in the UFC at a point in there careers except for Jara although Jara has fought in Bellator. So in your opinion none of those fights/fighters are notable at all ? ......well then maybe you should tag some of the fighters i just listed for deletion as well. Entity of the Void (talk) 05:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Shoenauer was on TUF 1 :/. Lopez? Hmm. I will look into that. Jara is a boss and one of my favorite fighters. I'm pretty sure Jara would pass. Vitale was in Bellator and had a few UFC fights. Including the one where Lindland knocked himself out so he gets a pass. Mostly your arguement would pertain to WP:OTHERSTUFF. I'm not saying the guy hasn't fought some really tough and notable competition. i just don't think that their notability has rubbed off on him. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 00:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I would also like to add that he is now scheduled to fight in the main event of LFC 18 an event that will air live on AXS TV.http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2012/12/legacy-fc-18-features-heavyweight-lightweight-title-fights-in-houston Entity of the Void (talk) 02:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This is exactly the kind of thing the current policy doesnt address, and that's televised fights. Like if you can find sources saying a fighter has been on TV a few times then it would make a compelling argument. I keep going to the well pointing out when fighters have been on TUF that not only did they fight on the show they fought on TV. The current WP:MMANOT is crap and I think the GNG is more useful for determining notability. Oh yeah I was gonna nominate Tony Lopez just to test the policy because I wasn't sure if people would consider his shoXC fights big (they were on showtime). Then I saw he was on Bully beatdown. But it's unsourced. So I dunno... PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

That information is sourced go to the top of the Lopez page its the second reference of the article. Entity of the Void (talk) 03:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Lopez has also fought in the WEC as well as Bellator. Entity of the Void (talk) 03:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY For the admin who comes accross this article.
 * A procedural error made in a proposal or request is not grounds for rejecting that proposal or request.PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 17:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:MMANOT and WP:NMMA.Peter Rehse (talk) 05:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm totally confused by all the commentary above. Regardless, he clearly fails WP:MMANOT, with no fights for top tier organizations. CaSJer (talk) 21:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:08, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Subject fails WP:MMANOT and WP:NMMA. --LlamaAl (talk) 23:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete With no fights for a top tier MMA organization, he obviously fails WP:NMMA. Jakejr (talk) 21:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete FAILS WP:NMMA. There are guys with way more notability than his being deleted or recomended for deletion. If guys with 2 of the 3 notable fights needed are being deleted, then this one should definitely go. Willdawg111 (talk) 06:12, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
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