Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ridge Radio


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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Ridge Radio

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Delete. Completely unsourced article about an "announcement service" radio station which broadcasts on the internet and via the Canadian equivalent of Part 15 (low-power) broadcasting rules. WP:NMEDIA has been tightened up over the years to preclude stations like this from being presumed notable just because they exist -- if this could be reliably sourced over WP:GNG, then that would be one thing, but it's no longer entitled to an exemption from having to be sourced better than this. I was actually the original creator here, way back when our notability and sourcing rules were absurdly loose and not nearly as well-codified as they are today, but I can't speedy it because there have been other contributors in the intervening 12 years. Bearcat (talk) 22:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   &#9742;   &#9998;  23:51, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   &#9742;   &#9998;  23:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete; Internet radio stations don't have any presumption of notability, and its low-power broadcast, according to the article, was apparently through the Ultra-Low Power Announcement Service (LPAS) — a type of station that has been exempt from CRTC licensing since 1993. As Canadian radio stations go, that type of station is as much a Part 15 equivalent, if not more, as the types of VF stations that fall under a CRTC exemption. (Note that while this particular station is a community radio station, the main intent of LPAS seems to be the type of "talking signs" station that would definitely be Part 15 in the U.S.) However, I can't find any trace of this station in the REC/Industry Canada database (TuneIn, oddly enough, appears to associate this station with a VF station, VF7130, but that's not in the database either), rendering the over-the-air aspect even more unverifiable (as if the absence of any CRTC decisions weren't enough) outside of any statements on the station's own website, and I'm coming up short in finding reliable sources to satisfy the general notability guideline. -- WC  Quidditch  &#9742;   &#9998;  00:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per creator. No sources - David Gerard (talk) 00:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep and Move: According to their website, the station continues to broadcast on 90.7 FM. Which means they continue to broadcast over a callsigned station, which brings them in compliance with part of NMEDIA.  The station though is no longer the VEK565, but VF7130.  The other half of NMEDIA, sources, is easy...well about as easy as the CRTC allows it be. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 08:39 on August 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * As with all the other VF stations that have been deleted recently, having a call sign does not in and of itself constitute proof that the station has a CRTC license — most VF stations now operate exempt from the requirement to have a license at all. There are rare exceptions where for one reason or another a conventional license is still required, but those are few and far between and require direct verification in each individual case — but CRTC decisions about this, as either VEK565 or VF7130 and under the ownership of either John McKay or Sheridan College, are nonexistent, which means that this is an unlicensed station. The existence of the website doesn't, in and of itself, prove that the station is operating; the "listen live" button goes 404 instead of linking to a stream, the front splash page was last updated in 2005 according to its footnote, the site is still written depicting the station's move to Sheridan College in 2010 as a planned future occurrence rather than a past one, and a lot of the site's internal links still reveal that the webpage is still sitting in John McKay's personal webspace on Cogeco rather than in Sheridan College's website. And the closest thing I can find to a reliable source about it is an article in the college's own campus newspaper (not an independent source, or one that can confer passage of GNG by itself) which indicates that the station's relaunch under Sheridan College's ownership was still a planned future occurrence as of December 2014 — with no coverage more recent than that locatable even in that publication. All of which leaves us at exactly the same situation as all the other VF stations that have been deleted recently: a license-exempt station whose operational status is unverifiable. Bearcat (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular (talk) 02:49, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


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