Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Riding High (1995, TV series)


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The result was no consensus. (with no prejudice against eventual re-nomination) I see that no one has considered a possible WP:ATD; but this discussion has run its course. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Riding High (1995, TV series)

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I wanted to draftify this but 2(d) doesn't apply. The best source is a nw.de listicle; otherwise, Egmont Ehapa is not independent and the rest are not reliable (blogs and similar). I struggled to find anything useful with a WP:BEFORE (just a local Waikato Times piece about Marama Jackson that mentions the show in passing), though sources may exist outside of my reach. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:45, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:45, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Question on what grounds is this article nominated for deletion? NealeWellington (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * it's not notable. Was that not clear in the nomination statement? — Bilorv ( talk ) 06:38, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

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For me, the article is very interesting and remarkable. In Germany, the series had a lot of resonance and was very relevant. The article is well documented. I see no reason for deletion. Qwertzu111111 (talk) 08:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * these reasons don't seem to relate to the criteria we use to decide if an article should be kept or not, the primary one being notability. The burden of proof is on the people who want an article to be kept to show that notability is met. With this in mind, which references in the article do you see as being independent, reliable and in-depth (and so contributing to notability)? — Bilorv ( talk ) 18:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind response. In the references you will find a number of articles proving that this television programme had generated a lot of media attention. It has an entry in the IMDb. It has been translated (dubbed) into many European languages. The story is based on a very popular German comic book and the TV show had 65 episodes. What is missing to be relevant? Qwertzu111111 (talk) 13:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IMDb is user-generated so it's not reliable (and since it's a database aiming to compile all television series, among other things, it doesn't show significance). The length of the TV series, the dubbing and the origins are not factors in notability. I looked through all the sources and the only one that I could see meeting the three criteria (independent, reliable, in-depth) is the nw.de listicle, which doesn't count for much. We would need several good sources to meet GNG. — Bilorv ( talk ) 14:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment – Very hard to assess the sourcing when it's all non-English language (seriously – no one can find some New Zealand sources?!): I can't tell what kind of sources these are, and whether they help establish notability or not... If this is kept, though, the article is entirely wrongly titled: it should be moved to Riding High (New Zealand TV series) (with a redirect at Riding High (1995 TV series)); meanwhile Riding High (TV series) should be moved to Riding High (Canadian TV program) (as per WP:INCDAB). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment – I was going to suggest using the corresponding German article, de:Wendy (Fernsehserie, 1995), to see if there were more sources, but it uses the same sources and seems to be a very close translation in places (I can't verify how close, as I only know a little German, but Google Translate shows a close match for some passages). Template:Translated page should probably be added to the talk page. RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The whole "Wendy" franchise is very successful all over the world. In addition to comics and books (approx. 50), there are also other cinema films (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5819908/ and https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7119170/), animated films, computer games and toys (from Revell) and many other mechandising products (T-shirts, etc...). Qwertzu111111 (talk) 09:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * .... i forgot: also wessels-filmkritik.com/ is independent, reliable, in-depth  Qwertzu111111 (talk) 12:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a blog, is it not? What's its fact-checking process and what are the credentials of the author? Blogs are generally not reliable. — Bilorv ( talk ) 17:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * yes, Antje Wessels writes blogs. But not only. She is in Germany a high recognised film critic. Qwertzu111111 (talk) 19:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I can vouch that Wessels has an article at de:Antje Wessels (Filmkritikerin), but I don't know if she actually warrants an article there; it's not clear that she writes for notable publications or has been republished by said publications. RunningTiger123 (talk) 22:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The franchise is not relevant to this discussion – the question is: is the TV series itself notable? And, really, the proof would be coverage on the TV series in its native New Zealand – if that is mostly absent, it would tend to indicate that the TV series is not notable. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Here is a notable and independent source: TV Spielfilm - https://www.tvspielfilm.de/serien/wendy-9026926/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.3.203.151 (talk) 23:15, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No, it's not – that's the kind of source that confirms something exists, not the type of source that helps establish notability. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:47, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The link to https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/riding-high-episode-one-1995 was deleted from the article; I do not know why. In my opinion NZ On Screen is a source with serious value. Qwertzu111111 (talk) 09:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also not a valid secondary source. So far, no one has come up with a valid secondary source, esp. from its native New Zealand. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:15, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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