Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rihards Gorkšs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was The result was delete all that haven't been pointed out below. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 06:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Rihards Gorkšs

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Fails Wikipedia notability guidelines, having not played in the fully professional league or cup and not received significant coverage in reliable sources. Contested prod: "has played in the Virsliga - the top flight league in Latvia" (or "also for the Latvian national U-21 team" for two of the lads listed below), but these arguments don't address the rised concerns. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following Latvian League players' pages for the same reasons:
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 17:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  —Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 17:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  —Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 17:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all - the Latvian league isn't fully professional and so these players fails WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 17:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all - WP:ATHLETE failure, as Latvian league is not fully professional --Angelo (talk) 18:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all, except keep Staņislavs Pihockis and Ritus Krjauklis - Pihockis played one match in the Bulgarian A PFG (which is to my knowledge fully-pro) and I've added a reference to support it; Krjauklis played one match for the Latvia national football team (which I've also referenced). None of the others have competed in a fully-pro league as far as I can tell. Jogurney (talk) 21:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Withdrawing Pihockis and Ritus Krjauklis as per rationate given above; also adding Rolando Svanidze whom I missed earlier. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 21:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * While we're at it, I'm nominating 50 more players' articles by the same reasons. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The Gints Freimanis article at least does not merit deletion, considering the significant coverage in leading Irish national newspapers. I wonder how many of the other articles nominated have been as poorly researched. Skomorokh  01:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all of the new batch of articles except keep Gints Freimanis, Jurģis Kalns, Aleksejs Soleičuks and Viktors Spole - Freimanis appears to meet WP:GNG per Skomorokh's research above; while Kalns, Soleičuks and Spole played in the UEFA Cup first round proper which should satisfy WP:ATHLETE. None of the others have played in a fully-pro league, senior UEFA competition (other than qualifying rounds), or senior internationals. Some have played in the CIS Cup, but I don't think that would satisfy WP:ATHLETE, and Azamat Baimatov claims to have played for his senior national team but I'm dubious of the claim since I can't verify it. Jogurney (talk) 03:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Azamat Baimatov seems to have played in European Champions League qualifying according to this - not sure if that is enough but it's something. Nominating 80 articles at once makes it very difficult to actually check to see if they all fail notability guidelines (evident with the first couple of delete comments that missed players that meet WP:Athlete in the first 30 nominations before another 50 were tacked on. Camw (talk) 03:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Re Baimatov, I've been told before that qualifying rounds for UEFA competitions are not sufficient to pass WP:ATHLETE. If they do, there are several other articles above on players that have played in UEFA Cup qualifying rounds. Jogurney (talk) 03:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete all that haven't played professionally - Basically all the ones that have been mentioned by others as passing WP:ATHLETE Spiderone  07:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Artem Osipov, played this season in the fully-professional Belarusian Premier League for FC Neman Grodno (one of the match reports here: http://www.pressball.by/news.php?t=0102&id=46578, he played at least 6 games.) Geregen2 (talk) 11:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The Belarusian league isn't on this list Spiderone  15:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * From the notability criteria, All leagues that are a country's highest level are assumed notable. If the league is professional then it must be deemed notable. Also as the list says, it is incomplete. Eddie6705 (talk) 09:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "From the notability criteria, All leagues that are a country's highest level are assumed notable" - which criterion states that any player who's played in his country's highest league is notable? Does that extend to the highest level leagues in San Marino, the Faroe Islands or American Samoa? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe he is talking about WikiProject_Football/Notability and that is for the league itself, not players in the league. Camw (talk) 06:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I edited that page, adding Belarusian top two levels with a reference to official regulations (which stipulate that for a player to be registered to play he has to have a professional contract with his club, with exceptions only for youth team players and players who currently serve in the army). Geregen2 (talk) 15:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Artem Osipov withdrawn as he played in the fully professional league. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 17:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete some of them. Be careful - FK Ventspils qualified for UEFA Europe League group stage and some of these players will meet requirements. Also some of these players were called to National team and should be considered notable with some coverage in media: Igors Kozlovs, Germans Māliņš, Aleksandrs Fertovs, Raivis Hščanovičs, Alexandru Dedov, Pāvels Doroševs, Jurģis Kalns, Oļegs Laizāns, Oļegs Malašenoks, Viktors Spole. If it can wait, these players should be kept. On the other hand, none of 1st League club FS Metta-Latvijas Universitāte Rīga players meet the requirements. --Papuass (talk) 16:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I've checked everyone from the second bunch and none of them actually played internationally, including Baimatov and those you've mentioned. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 18:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Gints Freimanis at the very least should be kept. He is referred to as a 'Latvian League player' though he currently plays his football professionally with St Patrick's Athletic of the League of Ireland. Fionnsci (talk) 17:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But Irish league is not fully professional as well, is it? Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 18:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Gints Freimanis, Jurģis Kalns, Aleksejs Soleičuks, Staņislavs Pihockis, Ritus Krjauklis, Artem Osipov and Viktors Spole as they pass WP:Athlete. Eddie6705 (talk) 09:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and re-list individually, as appropriate. It is farcical that all these have been combined into 1 AfD Eldumpo (talk) 10:38, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think its frustrating but these need to be kept and appropriately relisted. There are too many cases for this to be reasonably dealt with under one AfD. I would, however, delete the article on Gorkss on an individual basis --Pretty Green (talk) 13:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So you want somebody to relist 80 players individually and every contributor to repeat their opinion (including the likes of GiantSnowman who voted "Delete all") 80 times? Sorry, but this is crazy timewasting and smells bureaucracy. On the contrary, I believe these cases are very similar. As you found this troublesome, I am listing them explicitly: 1)players who didn't play in the fully professional league or cup but received some coverage in the reliable sources: Gints Freimanis, 2)players who didn't play in the fully professional league or cup and didn't receive significant coverage in reliable sources but was called up to (though never actually played for) the national team: Germans Māliņš, Raivis Hščanovičs, Igors Kozlovs, Oļegs Laizāns, Aleksandrs Fertovs, Vladimirs Kamešs, Pāvels Doroševs (not including Oļegs Malašenoks and Alexandru Dedov who weren't called to their NTs, as far as my research indicates), 3)players who didn't play in the fully professional league or cup and didn't receive significant coverage in reliable sources but played in the major continental competition (not including Ventspils players as per WP:CRYSTAL): Jurģis Kalns, Aleksejs Soleičuks, Viktors Spole, 4)other players who didn't play in the fully professional league or cup and didn't receive significant coverage in reliable sources. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 18:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Another reason Gorod why it helps to list them seperately is that it is easier to find individual players' afd in the future, which might be helpful if an article is recreated and still not notable. In that case it can be speedily deleted under G4, without having to go through an afd again. Eddie6705 (talk) 18:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but the possibility of listing a group of articles for deletion is there by some reason, so maybe there is something good that outweighs that problem...? Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 18:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but grouping 80 together is way too many. Eddie6705 (talk) 18:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree, but keeping for that sole reason is quite pointless. Gorod nad volnoi Nevoi (talk) 19:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree, grouping into maybe 10 or 15 at once and leaving a bit of time between each group would allow some time to actually check them and comment after having done some research. 80 is way too many to expect people to look and be able to comprehensively say that they should or should not be deleted. The first three people who commented were only commenting on the first 30 nominations before another 50 were tacked on and they still managed to miss players that met WP:ATHLETE in those 30. Camw (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That seems like a sensible suggestion Camw, as it will mean the articles would be easier to scrutanise, but we wouldn't be posting 80 seperate afds. Eddie6705 (talk) 01:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, relisting does not mean 80 separate AfDs. One positive way might be to go through listing by current club (eg all FC Dinaburg players listed in one AfD, all FK Ventspils in another). This would make it easier for editors to judge notability. I realise that this is an awkward and time consuming task but unfortunately Wikipedia sometimes is! --Pretty Green (talk) 09:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes relist them by club but only the ones that fail WP:ATH obviously. Spiderone  09:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep the lead nomination which is real and verified; this is true for several of the others also. Several of the others are nothing more than an infobox, which should maybe be deleted, but that's another AfD. - Draeco (talk) 02:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone being real doesn't mean they are notable? I am real (or at least I hope I am...) but I must admit that I am not (yet) worthy of an article! GiantSnowman 11:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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