Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rilian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Keep (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Rilian

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Someone who is not a main character in any of the book he appears in. Buc (talk) 13:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep He is one of the main characters in The Silver Chair. Chuck (talk) 21:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think he's a main character. Buc (talk) 11:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not? He appears throughout about the last third of the book, and in the first two-thirds, where he doesn't appear directly, he's the main driver of the plot. Seems like a major character to me. Chuck (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep A main character in The Silver Chair, as already stated, one of The Chronicles of Narnia books. These books have been around for more than half a century and are known worldwide. Rochelle CMN (talk) 06:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree that he is a main character in The Silver Chair, and is an important figure in the series as a whole. --Lini (talk) 21:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: I've listed this AFD nomination at the Narnia task force page, Votes for deletion section.  Intention is to solicit wider discussion among editors interested in the quality of "Narnia" coverage on Wikipedia, both "keep" and "delete" opinions might be expected, and both welcomed.  Thanks, Lini (talk) 21:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as this article fails WP:NOT and does not provide any evidence of notability outside of the Chronicles of Narnia, nor does it cite any sources for verifying its content, so merger is not an option. This article appears to be original research and there is no reasonable justification for keeping this article.--Gavin Collins (talk) 09:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as he appears in two books, is reasonably central, and as there will be critiques and appraisals of Lewis' work somewhere around. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Points for discussion - Agreed with Gavin Collins that the article as it existed, when nominated for deletion, was lacking in evidence of notability, and in sources. I've added a References section with, for starters, 3 sources outside of the Chronicles themselves, in which I've confirmed that the character of Rilian is mentioned, with either character analysis or literary criticism related to his role in the series.  The article needs work in order to move it from "in-universe" perspective to "explain the fiction more clearly and provide non-fictional perspective" (per the wording used on the book-in-universe template). Toward that end, I've restructured the sections of the article (using "expand" templates where material needs to be added), per the outline at WikiProject Novels/Chronicles of Narnia task force/Character article example.  I have been interested recently in doing just this type of work for some articles related to the Narnia series, but, have been focusing primarily on one of the other books, and, (with my particular "slow and careful" editing style, plus daily limits on WP time :), would not personally be able to shift focus, and do much more work on the Rilian article before the timeline for closure of this Afd.  But, the sources exist, and the potential is there, for making the Rilian article a "respectable" fictional character article, per WP standards.  Thanks, Lini (talk) 11:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep While the article certainly needs improvement, there's a large number of independant sources listed as references. Edward321 (talk) 03:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.