Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Riordan Clinic


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The result was delete. Ben – Salvidrim!  ·  &#9993;  22:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Riordan Clinic

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Fails WP:GNG - athough there appear to be some mentions in sources - mainly around fake vitamin C cancer cures - I can't find any significant coverage of the clinic itself Alexbrn (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete - I can find no mention of this clinic in independent, reliable sources and think it fails WP:GNG. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:38, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * keep a simple news search turns of plenty of articles in independent, reliable sources and therefore passes WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * But these are passing mentions as stated in the nom. Did you find any "significant coverage" as GNG requires? Alexbrn (talk) 19:40, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Wichita Eagle; PR Newswire; Street Insider; Newsmax; Shawnee Dispatch; Whole Foods Magazine; SB Wire; AARP (review site); Kilkenny People (Ireland); Journal of Translational Medicine; Newswire Today; --- kind of stopped looking after that. But if you want, HighBeam returns this list and Google Scholar returns this list.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:57, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Lots of passing mentions as mentioned already. Did you find a single piece of significant coverage in independent sources? Would be interested if so .. Alexbrn (talk) 19:59, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean besides the hundreds of articles in the links provided?--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, coverage which "addresses the topic directly and in detail" as GNG requires. Is there even one source which does this (other than stuff churned from Riordan press releases? We need independent coverage too.) Alexbrn (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hundreds, it seems. All you need to do is click on the links and read.  However, here's some more from High-Beam in addition to those already posted above:


 * 1) Dr. Ron Hunninghake of the Riordan Clinic Inducted into the 2013 Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame: Townsend Letter, August 1, 2013
 * 2) Riordan Clinic research Institute publishes Chelation Therapy study: Townsend Letter, November 1, 2011
 * 3) Riordan Clinic: Vitamin C Helps Those with Rheumatoid Arthritis: Manufacturing Close-Up, December 14, 2012
 * 4) Research Roundup: Recent Highlights Involving Nutraceuticals from Scientific Journals: Nutraceuticals World, April 1, 2013
 * Here's a solid list from Google Scholar of academic papers:

Just click on the "news" link above and you get hundreds of references, if not thousands. Please review WP:BEFORE.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:42, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) The effects of a primary nutritional deficiency (vitamin B study) HD Riordan, N Mikirova, PR Taylor… - Food and Nutrition …, 2012 - [biomedcentral.com]
 * 2) Clinical experience with intravenous administration of ascorbic acid: achievable levels in blood for different states of inflammation and disease in cancer N Mikirova, J Casciari… - [medicine.biomedcentral.com]
 * 3) Effect of high-dose intravenous vitamin C on inflammation in cancer patients N Mikirova, J Casciari, A Rogers… [medicine.biomedcentral.com]
 * 4) The Orthomolecular Correction of Metabolic Imbalances Found in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder: A Retrospective Analysis in an Outpatient Clinic. NA Mikirova, JJ Casciari… [search.ebscohost.com]
 * 5) Treatment of cancer using lipoic acid in combination with ascorbic acid JJ Casciari, NH Riordan - US Patent 6,284,786, 2001 - [nih.gov]
 * 6) Effect of high dose vitamin C on Epstein-Barr viral infection Nina A. Mikirova A, C, D, E and Ronald Hunninghake A. Bio-Communication Research Institute, Riordan Clinic, Wichita, KS, USA. [biomedcentral.com]
 * 7) Intravenous ascorbic acid to prevent and treat cancer-associated sepsis TE Ichim, B Minev, T Braciak… [medicine.biomedcentral.com]
 * 8) Intravenous high-dose ascorbic acid reduces the expression of inflammatory markers in peripheral mononuclear cells of subjects with metabolic syndrome N Mikirova, RC Scimeca Journal of Translational Science, 2016 [oatext.com]
 * 9) subjects with metabolic syndrome Nina Mikirova*# and Ruth C Scimeca# Riordan Clinic, 3100 [nih.gov]
 * 10) Modulation of cytokines in cancer patients by intravenous ascorbate therapy N Mikirova, N Riordan, J Casciari - Medical science monitor: …, 2016 - [ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
 * This is sourcing 101. Just taking the first source above it simply does not address the topic of The Riordan Clinic "directly and in detail", but is about some guy getting an award. Furthermore, this appears to be just a churn of the clinic's own puffy press release. and is not independent coverage as we require. This is quack medical types hyping each other (The Townsend Letter is a fringe source) and not useful. You need to review our core sourcing policies before advancing an argument which amount to little more than WP:GOOGLEHITS - but the closer will see this ... Alexbrn (talk) 15:36, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:WABBITSEASON there is no need to keep repeating your argument. Repeating it more doesn't give it more weight.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course, but looking at the substance of the arguments is instructive. Alexbrn (talk) 03:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It is true that we disagree. Please don't try to play a WP:SENIORITY card.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * delete just an advertisement for the clinic.  Citations by people who work there don't give notability to the institution itself.  WP:NOTINHERITED goes both ways. Jytdog (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  09:29, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - I tried the link listed in the first "keep" vote above and got absolutely nothing. Couldn't find anything else relevant - the sources above don't seem to be about the clinic specifically. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  19:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


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