Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Riptide(Star Wars Novel)


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The result was redirect to List of Star Wars books. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  01:16, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Riptide(Star Wars Novel)

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Fails WP:NBOOK - no sources currently, I found a couple of reviews on what appear to be WP:UGC fan sites, but nothing in reliable sources. Girth Summit  (blether) 14:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * well every other star wars book has a page why not this one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearbro123 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFF. Notability in books isn't inherited from the franchise (or author, publisher etc). I see that it is listed at List of Star Wars books, which is fine - but if we don't have enough reliable sources to build an article around, then we shouldn't be writing the article. Girth Summit  (blether)  14:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak keep While there's a tendency to be more inclusive for popular franchise, sometimes fuelled by fanboy/fangirl attitude (as if Wookiepedia or Memory Alpha or such didn't have that handled well enough already), most SW novels have reviews. But the quality of them is often at blog-level. Still: TheForce.Net (ironically, the website's article is tagged for notability...) - not a blog. SFCrowsnest - if this is a blog, it's a rather serious one. Sci-Fi Online (website that describes itself as "The UK's leading telefantasy and cilt website"): . Blog reviews: . Podcast review:  . Probably sufficient presence in reviews to warrant pass, and that's without looking for reviews in other languages. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:43, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I did see those reviews before nominating, but I didn't think they were sufficiently reliable. NBOOK explicitly excludes blogs and other unreliable sources from counting towards notability, and it goes on to say that we should be cautious about sites that are themselves reliable, but allow members of the public to post material (Criterion 1, Note 2). The 'TheForce.net' review is written by someone called Adrick, who isn't listed amongst their staff - it looks like a fan review on a (barely notable?) fan site. I can't access SFCrowsnest - Chrome and Edge are both refusing to connect, saying that the site uses unsafe TLS security settings - so I can't comment (but this doesn't fill me with confidence!). Sci-Fi Online might be the best bet, insofar as the reviewer (Chris Packer) is listed on the site's 'About Us' page - where it also notes that he's a full-time psychiatric nurse.Again, this looks like a fan review on a fan site. The other blog site and the podcast (since it is hosted on a blog site) are excluded. I'll leave it to others to judge whether the first three sites, and their reviewers, are reliable enough to establish notability. Girth Summit  (blether)  11:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment, no reviews listed with ISFDB: here. ps. author is kemp not anderson? Coolabahapple (talk) 13:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:27, 24 April 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  09:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * REDIRECT to List of Star Wars books. The lack of any real reviews or sources from reliable secondary sources means that this really should not be a stand alone article.  However, its a likely search term, and as we have an obvious target for a redirect, that seems like the best option.  Rorshacma (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Good call - agree that it's a likely search term, a redirect would be appropriate. Girth Summit  (blether)  19:25, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * REDIRECT to List of Star Wars books as mentioned above. While the article doesn't have enough reliable, independent sources to be a stand alone, due to the search term, it can be a redirect. THEFlint Shrubwood (talk) 04:48, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect, and also create redirects from properly spaced and capitalized titles. —&#8288; 烏&#8288;Γ (kaw) │ 07:58, 05 May 2019 (UTC)


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