Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rise above the silver and gold


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Courcelles 09:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Rise above the silver and gold

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Fails notability per WP:MOVIE. Low budget, independent film, direct to video. Written, directed, produced, starred, music, and distributed by Stanley V. Henson, Jr. Self-published, autobiographical story. Promoted by self-published press releases, of which, two are used as external links. The two references are IMDb profiles for the movie and individual model/actress. Meets zero criteria according to WP:MOVIE to establish notability. Cindamuse (talk) 07:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Cindamuse (talk) 07:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:MOVIE. Derild  49  21  ☼  16:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Author of the article claims that the film was shown in AMC theatres, implying a national theatrical release. However, this notation indicates that the film was screened at Henson's local AMC Potomac Mills Theatre in Woodbridge, Virginia, one night on January 7, 2007. Cindamuse (talk) 00:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as article fails notability criteria for films. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  03:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or if asked by its author, Userfy out of politeness. I went through the article, expanded it, corrected it for format and style, and generally made it much prettier. Good practice. That said... all I could find online about this film was press release after press release. While not doubting its existance, no one has written anyting about this other than th production company or its publicists. Untill this ever gets a true wide release, wins some awards, or receives some coverage, it's just is not notable per film criteria.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. The initial author of the article blanked the page requesting a speedy delete, in addition to the AfD. The article has been edited by several authors, therefore, I reverted the request. Cindamuse (talk) 10:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. What's the point? Fine... I'll delete it. This is an emerging artist who has managed to accomplish something. I understand Wikipedia's need to maintain creditability but, the comments made to justify credibility are cruel and made with fake names and pseudonyms to disguise their identity.  The film, "She hate me" by Spike Lee was screened in one theatre in New York.  "Rise above the silver and gold", starred Georgianna Robertson who first appeared in Robert Altman's film, "Ready to Wear".  Henson has only produced two projects independently which he owns all the rights and has managed in that short time span to direct Bill Cosby, Dick Gregory, Georgianna Robertson, Clifton Powell and Joe Theisman.  Contrary to the research done by the editors the film appeared in several AMC Theatres independently (not just the one theatre listed on Brave New Theatres) before being independently released to DVD. Sistaliz09 (talk) 08:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment.It's really not worth it... so I deleted it... now I can't delete it? Haterism Yeesh...Sistaliz09 (talk) 16:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not "haterism". Really not. When one writes an article for Wikipedia, hitting that first "save" button acts as acknowledgement that you "irrevocably agree to release your contributions under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL"... which pretty much means that by hitting "save", you've agreed the content now belongs to Wikipeda, and it is then evaluated by non-paid volunteer editors just like you or me... folks who have a life away from these pages and stop in to try improving things... some a lot... some a little.  And as you may have noticed... it was I who expanded and cleaned up your article to make it more suitable to Wikipedia's preferred format.  But the difficulty here is that in order to meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, films have to somehow meet the criteria set forth in WP:Notability (films).  If you ask that the article be be "userfied" to you, it will be placed in a user sub-page for you... something like User:Sistaliz09/workspace/Rise Above the Silver and Gold... where you can continue work on it and ask for input from others. And when the film gets wider release, wins some awards, or gets written up in reliable sources it may well be welcomed back to mainspace. And by the way... some few of us do not edit anonymously.  Regards,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. You're very kind. As much as we've tried to offer advice and assistance, I don't think we'll be hearing from her again, since she received an indef block a few hours ago. Cindamuse (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Kindness is free and its paybacks can be exemplary. This new user definitely does not understand how things work here and took the deletion nominations far too personal. Sadly, it happens. If the editor comes back and declares no intent to sue, she may get a reduced block and a return of editing privilages... or, if still angry, may come back in another guise. We'll just have to wait and see.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A check of that other guise went in yesterday. ; ) Cindamuse (talk) 02:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete. As with Stanley V. Henson, Jr., I know this isn't technically a G7 candidate but it sure seems to fall under the spirit of it. 28bytes (talk) 04:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.