Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. L Faraone  00:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons

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Non-notable fanfiction. Google search brings up lots of blogs and Deviant Art but no significant discussion in multiple reliable sources. Proposed deletion tag removed. ... disco spinster   talk  00:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I got this quote from a user on deviantArt. I thought it as very interesting to share it to you all:
 * "Okay guys, down here I list my opinion. I don't have nothing against those who love the [movies] but I need to say this.


 * To be honest I think they have every right to remove this page. It doesn't provide any useful information aside of the four movies, since it seems like the creators simply copied and wrote down the descriptions of the films directly from the individual pages of the movies, which it's pretty pointless.


 * And people are gonna kill me for this but I completely agree with those who want to remove it: it's a minor crossover (no really, it's not as big as you fans think it is) and even if it would have a massive fan base, it wouldn't have the right to be in wikipedia anyway (like the homestuck and hetalia crossover, or Superwholockmervenger) because it's FAN FICTION. The relationships between the main characters, their adventures and AUs are purely fan made and fictitious, and trying to make this crossover known because apparently it's very popular among tumblr or deviant art it just makes this fandom look very pretentious. Now I didn't say the fandom IS pretentious, I mean some things they do (like canvassing votes like you're doing now) MAKE the fandom LOOK pretentious, which I know for a fact the fans aren't.


 * I know for some people it's very important to get this page but why? To be more acknowledged? For, as an administrator commented, to boost the fandom's confidence and make this crossover more real and official?


 * I think it's time to stop and think: as long as you wish your stories and headcanons real, to watch those adventures you created in your mind become reality, you must understand that the original stories of those four movies aren't yours and you have no right of pushing them to please your own needs. BUT that doesn't mean your fan works don't matter: you can create your own stories by mixing these movies' universes, and then sharing and comment them with others; that doesn't mean your enthusiasm and love don't exist. I've seen wonderful things this fandom has done (and not-so-wonderful like the flanderization some fans put the characters through but that's another story), fan-made songs, videos, fan fics and art- do you really need a film petition or a wiki page to make yourselves sure what you have been doing all this time it's real?"


 * -- InestheWindbender


 * Keep - This has become severely popular, and doesn't take away from the characters main points of origin in the slightest. It allows you to follow the characters that we've all been charmed by in new and exciting stories, and gives us all a new fandom to participate in, one that WE have created ourselves. This alone makes it deserving of a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.189.49 (talk) 20:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - This crossover has spawned hundreds of pictures, videos, fanfictions, etc. It's gained a considerable fandom, and has made itself known to people all over.  That alone makes it noteworthy--it's so widely known that it deserves its own page.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.60.185 (talk) 17:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not only are the four movies completely unrelated to one another, but there are next to no reliable sources for this fan crossover. This may have a huge fanbase, yes, and although I do not hate the RotBTD, I really don't see any meaningful reason as to why it should have a wiki page. In addition, each movie was created by rival companies. I doubt the possibility of them ever cooperating and making a movie just to satisfy the fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.240.125 (talk) 15:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Unintelligible mishmash of copy-pasted material from other Wikipedia articles, contains zero sources about the alleged "fanfiction crossover." Google search of the title phrase reveals absolutely nothing meaningful that could be used to source an article about this topic. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - per WP:ONEDAY. No coverage from reliable sources that indicates any kind of notability. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 00:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - There doesn't seem to be any reliable sources out there to show that this isn't just something someone recently WP:MADEUP. The four films (How to Train Your Dragon, Tangled, Brave and Rise of the Guardians) that constitute this supposed film series are produced by different animation studios and voiced by different actors. Apart from the fact that these are recent CGI animation releases, there's nothing to suggest that the the films are otherwise related. Funny  Pika! 01:24, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Absolutely no indication of notability, appears to be WP:FANCRUFT. Under WP:List of bad article ideas, numbers 2, 13 and 14.  Reatlas  (talk)  02:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Sometimes, very very rarely, fanfictions can become notable. Fifty Shades of Grey is a good example, since it started as a fanfiction. However the norm is that the fanfictions that do become notable enough to merit their own article are the ones that take on FSoG proportions. Not even My Immortal is considered to be notable enough to merit its own article and that's perhaps one of more known, if not the best known, non-pulled-to-print fanfics out there. I'm not exactly quoting this as a way of saying that this doesn't have an article so this shouldn't either, but I'm just saying that My Immortal has had several times more coverage and still doesn't merit an article. In comparison, this fanfic, which has received very little coverage in RS, doesn't even begin to pass notability guidelines. The guidelines are very strict when it comes to stuff like this, so that's why I want to stress that even the big name fanfics end up not meriting articles or even mentions on Wikipedia 99.9% of the time. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think it's about time for a snow close in this case. I doubt fairly seriously that this would survive. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

--Avenflight (talk) 14:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Four unrelated films that have little connection to each other.
 * Keep - So what if these films aren't unrelated!? DreamWorks, Disney, and Pixar could find a way to make them work! They's always something, plus this crossover is amazing and fantastic.


 * Delete - Fan fiction is a notable subject on Wikipedia, but this does not seem as important as the ones listed on this page. Freshh (talk) 16:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - This page is basically a copy and paste of the original movies' pages, with the slight difference of the mention that it is a fan fiction crossover. Even if it has a fan base and some people have been drawing and writing fan art and fan fics, those movies are still unrelated to each other. If this page has to be done, then it would be fair doing the same to all the other fan-made crossovers roaming through the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.31.254.44 (talk) 16:48, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Apparently non-notable fan project; the references appear completely irrelevant, since they are about the individual shows and not the fan project itself. Delete. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - It is understandable that this page has information on each of the individual movies, and therefore it's rather unnecessary, however it should still be kept up. I would suggest adding more information on the crossover aspect of this page, like why a crossover exists, and its popularity.


 * Keep - I feel that if we were to just flesh out the article a little more with more info about the crossover itself, this could be a keepable wiki. I really do hope this stays. This crossover has brought many people together and has grown such a large fanbase! So what if the movies have nothing to do with eachother? That's the point of a crossover. Let's keep this wiki strong!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.55.82 (talk) 19:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Various accounts on Deviant Art are canvassing for "keep" !votes; see for example http://feliipsun.deviantart.com/art/Rise-of-the-Brave-Tangled-Dragons-wiki-page-help-372535621. ... disco spinster   talk  19:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oy... Freshh (talk) 21:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment – Vast majority of keep votes appear to be variations of several arguments to avoid, specifically, I like it, It's harmless and It might be big one day.  Reatlas  (talk)  03:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - This article provides little to no actual useful information, containing mostly facts from the actual movies' articles that this fandom uses. Wikipedia is after all about actual facts, not acts of fancy. Having their own article here serves mainly as a boost to these fans, making the fandom seem more "real" and "official" this way. Wikipedia normally contains only larger fandoms that have become a true cultural phenomena, such as fandoms of Harry Potter, Lord Of The Rings, Jane Austen and "Bronies" (the adult segment enjoying My Little Pony Friendship is Magic). Having an entire article dedicated to a small, minor (compared to the fandoms listed in Wikipedia already) fandom seems a bit too much. Fans are very welcome to have their own, less official info pages. Wikipedia should be regarded with higher dignity, many see it as the great, reliable information bank of the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marmyll (talk • contribs) 21:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have a feeling that the "keep" comments are becoming too similar. I wouldn't be surprised that it's the DeviantArt users creating more votes under different aliases. Freshh (talk) 01:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - This fandom keep the mind of the characters and make a new story. It is recognize by a lot of people and there is A LOT of fanart or vieos about this. This article would be a good help to show this fandom and to make somethings officials.


 * Keep - Its like a great idea and it might call the attention of the producers. It has been so many things related to this 4 and many people love the idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.139.228.5 (talk) 23:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - This fandom is really well-known: just look how many people recognize it, how much pictures, videos and fanfictions there are! Maybe it isn't official, but we can't deny it exist and rise with every week. This article would be really helpful with keeping basic informations in one place for successive interested people.


 * Keep - This is a dream come true for all fans of the four movies, and it has gained a considerable amount of fans of this mash-up itself. This crossover exists and is widely known, and just because it doesn't have a copyright doesn't mean it isn't real. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feliipsun (talk • contribs) 17:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - The Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons has a large fan base, not only on Fanfiction.net but throughout the internet including one of the biggest and most visited art sites, deviantArt. I believe that this article provides much needed info for the community.


 * Keep - The fanbase that composes it is huge, people like it, maybe it doesnt has so much relevance between each other and also they might not have complete information, however this helps to get an idea and continue progressing in it, also if the fanbase get lucky probably just maybe a producer see how far the idea has gone and dicide to help, but this is what the crossover is about, how to gather all the stories, people like, It's a fanbase it doesn´t seem the reason to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.128.184.125 (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - In addition to fanfiction.net and deviantart, there is a huge community on tumblr. Once I saw a RotBTD post reach 100,000 notes in under 24 hours. This is a huge fandom, and if you delete if you might as well delete all other fandom pages, including Harry Potter, Doctor Who, Star Trek, MLP... shall I go on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.128.60 (talk) 15:01, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - A lot of people really want Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons to be real; this page might help with that. Trust me, this page WILL help.


 * Keep - This fandom is really popular, on tumblr, fanfiction.net, deviantart, even Facebook! People have made pages about them, role plays, fan pages just to post pictures and fanart. It would disappoint many if this page was taken down, because like the previous writer, it could help with making ROtBTD real. Please keep this page.


 * Keep - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.132.143 (talk) 17:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - People really like this Fandom, and that's just that, a fandom. Let people enjoy it. If some people don't like it they can go look up something else. I for one think that this fandom is pretty interesting and, even though the moves aren't related to each other, it's still a fun fandom that I think I could really get into ^^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.4.20 (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - It would be amazing to keep this article for information concerning rotbtd. Keeping it would show how big this fandom has grown and the support that it has backing it. I really believe in this fadom and the amazing things that it provides: art, stories, gifs, role plays, and friendship. By keeping this page up would show a statement that needs to be displayed for the world, and hopefully for Dreamworks and Disney to see as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.73.59.20 (talk) 01:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * keep***- i say keep because this is such a wonderful i dea for a movie and i believe that if the disney producers see it they will make it into a movie, this i such pure beauty! i love all of these movies and for people to put them together and have them meet and date its omg i love it please keep it up!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.206.72 (talk) 01:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "keep"* - this is a quite large and passionate fandom who has big hopes on seeing this as a movie. the more this gets known the more our hopes and dreams come true. this page isnt hurting anyone. we just want to see this as the real deal. Please keep it up. the people who want to see this, really, i mean really want to see this as a thing. so let us have our dream. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.197.80 (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have semi-protected the deletion debate; see the explanation on the talk page. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 06:05, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.