Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rishabh Shanbhag


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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 19:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Rishabh Shanbhag

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Alert! Rishabh Shanbhag may be canvasing for meat-puppets.
 * See https://twitter.com/iMast777/status/751288769605545986 (Cache ; Cache, as Image )

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 * Comment: Plenty of refs, but none that actually suggests notability Maproom (talk) 22:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: Rishabh Shanbhag looks to be part of a very narrow subculture, which has earned him one interview & mention in one single article in the tech section of online Forbes. (see below section "Research, Information, Observations & Notes"). RQ (talk) 01:54, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: Obvious self-promoter is obvious, never mind that all these fatuous claims were made about a subject who was seventeen when the article was created. I'm thinking all those cites are less by way of the editors inserting them being lazy, and more that they were counting (accurately enough) on the average Wikipedian glancing at the article, saying "Ooo, lots of cites!" and never bothering to follow any of them up.  (While we're talking about lazy.)  Nha Trang  Allons! 22:40, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: Hey there! I personally feel that this page should stay as it is. Before we start, there are a few points that I want to clarify. Kindly have a look at my research and points further below User:Synterest (talk) 08:51 AM, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: as nominator. I see nothing the above discussion, or in the article itself, to change my view. Maproom (talk) 20:17, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: non-notable internet personality.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:53, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as examining this still found nothing actually convincing, delete by all means as there's nothing to suggest better at all. SwisterTwister   talk  22:59, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Research, Information, Observations & Notes - by RQ (talk) 01:54, 7 July 2016 (UTC) The most/only "prominent" thing I could find on this Rishabh Shanbhag, was an article written by a "Contributor" (Antony Leather) in Forbes:
 * http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/iphone-hacking-behind-the-scenes-with-an-ios-jailbreaker/print/

Everything else I could find about Rishabh Shanbhag is from his own, or his collaborators, hand.

His previous website: http://imast777.me/ is empty.

But used to be a thin content spammy commerce thing,

- Google still got some pages cached, via search [ site:imast777.me ]

His current website: https://rishabhshanbhag.com is just a single profile & contact page.

Though Google also got +20 indexed Lorem Ipsum pages [ site:rishabhshanbhag.com ], which was there for about 2 years. (striken, because while the Lorem Ipsum pages has indeed been hosted on that specific domain, then that specific domain didn't exist in 2014)

He's is only 19 years old (DoB = 19.Nov.1996), but still: I would have expected someone attempting to claim fame for developing software or websites, to have a bit more juice to their website. And he does (on his one page website) claim to be "an award-winning web developer and entrepreneur who has worked on various websites, packages and ...".

No actual award(s) are mentioned or referenced, and looking into the "frequently cited by publications" then it looks like lazy half-arsed journalists & bloggers doing twitter rehashing or straight twitter embedding. (The already first mentioned & referenced Forbes thing, being the only exception).

The Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishabh_Shanbhag

Has a remarkable edit history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rishabh_Shanbhag&action=history

It has really only ever been handled by 2 editors:

Who only got to edit on Wikipedia for less than a month, before being shut down for "Massive sockpuppetry" in 2014.
 * Jilkoms : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jilkoms

Who's been editing nothing else but the "Rishabh Shanbhag" article, and only after Jilkoms was shut down.
 * Synterest : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Synterest

RQ (talk) 01:54, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Research - by User:Synterest (talk) 08:51 AM, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

1) iOS jailbreaking in no way is a "narrow" subculture. The main app, Cydia, the creator of Cydia saurik, and other developers/hackers in the iPhone community such as geohot still have their pages (even though many have contested for deletion - as you can see in the talk pages especially that of geohot).

2) I have no connection with the user you have stated. I simply fell upon this page on iMast77's aka. Rishabh's Twitter

His previous website: http://imast777.me was an e-commerce store for users to purchase iPhone unlocks, aka. reversing a SIM lock, which is currently down (most likely up for a revamp) - has been down since he bought his new domain. His current site is https://rishabhshanbhag.com, I myself am not sure how those "Lorem ipsum" pages are there as he only added the domain recently to his social media pages and doing a quick WHOIS, I found out that "Creation Date: 23-jun-2016", so it's most likely that Google hasn't de-indexed the previous owner's pages.

I also see that you've added a "not in citation given" for the packages mentioned in the article.

Let us start with the first one - ActiSearch which has been referenced here on iDownloadBlog and DailyiPhoneBlog. Now these 2 references have been already added to the Wikipedia article. But after doing a quick search myself, I found that ActiSearch has been also featured on AppAdvice which is a verified source for tech news (also verified on Twitter . I also found that it has been featured on iPhoneHacks, iJailbreak , iPhoneCaptain , Best Cydia Tweaks , iSpazio (this is an italian website) , Apple Spot (Dutch website) , Info iDevice (French) , Apple Team (Greek) etc. just to name a few.

Some articles don't mention the creator, but every package made which has been uploaded to Cydia, can be found using the package identifier (which in this case is com.imast777.actisearch). Using this, we can find out that "iMast777" is the creator or author of this package. You can use this link and look under the author section: http://cydia.online/package/com.imast777.actisearch

You can make use of this link - http://planet-iphones.com/cydia/author/iMast777, to find out all the other packages which he has created.

The second package which I've mentioned on the page is NoNewApp, you can blame me for this one because I didn't mention any references for this. Sorry, my bad. Googling it, you can find out that it has been featured on iDownloadBlog, AppAdvice , Modmyi , iPhone Italia , Appleophile France etc. to name a few

The third package needing citation in the article was iDebstore - only one reference was added i.e. But it has also been featured on other websites such as Jaxov, RedmondPie , MacGenesis , VeryRite , TheHowMade ,Tesux , iPhoneItalia , ValueWalk , iCulture (Dutch) etc.

iDebStore was in beta phase when it was released in 2012 but is currently no longer active in 2016, the idebstore webite currently redirects to iMast777's Twitter now.

Those seem to be the only issues regarding packages. Also, he created most of these packages in 2012, back when he was only 16. So I doubt age should be any concern here.

Now for the frequently cited part in the end, the journalists embedded his tweets in those articles & they seemed to be verified sources to me such as CBS News, Complex (magazine) etc hence why I added that to the article since most people in the iOS/Apple/iPhone community take him & his tweets regarding tech very seriously.

Whereas the International Business Times article clearly states this:

''However, that seems to be passé as iOS, Windows developer and security researcher iMast777 has figured out a way that allows developers to test jailbreak apps and tweaks on iOS 6.1.1 beta 1. The method, explained below, helps developers jailbreak their devices running on the very first beta of iOS 6.1.1.'' which had picked up a method from a blog post from http://iMast777.me (back when it was up) which would allow developers to successfully jailbreak iOS - [iOS Jailbreaking.

I'm honestly not sure how you did your research. If you searched for "Rishabh Shanbhag" then you didn't do it the right way, the very first paragraph in the Wikipedia article states that he is better known by his online alias "iMast777" and his creations. I hope you look into all of this & kindly re-consider. Thanks you.

User:Synterest (talk) 08:51 AM, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Response - to User:Synterest from RQ (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Since no question ever existed about Rishabh Shanbhag's being owner of rishabhshanbhag.com, then a WhoIs lookup seemed a venue of pointlessness, and I therefore initially didn't do it (a WhoIs lookup is still pointless in terms of establishing noteworthiness, since any idiot can register a domain).
 * That Google has Lorem Ipsum pages indexed for that site, is because Google crawled the site, and found those pages.
 * That Google got some of them dated to 2014, is because Google read them to be so. Look at this screenshot, taken from Google's cache, which clearly tell the tale of site claiming to be at least from 2014 (much older that the domain it's served under). Or this screenshot, also taken from Google's cache, which clearly tells Google that the page is from "NOVEMBER 19, 2015".
 * Why did Rishabh Shanbhag allow the indexing of those Lorem Ipsum pages(?)
 * There are only one of two fundamental reasons for that to happen.
 * A. He didn't care a flying fuck if the Lorem Ipsum pages got indexed or not.
 * B. He couldn't handle the technical requirements for it not to happen.
 * Considering how hard he seem to want to claim fame for web development, then reason A seems unlikely, because: If you intended to care about your reputation as a web developer, then you do care about NOT clearing your old site, and open a new site to the entire world, before it has reached a minimum level of maturity.
 * If it's reason B, then that goes to show that his knowledge within the field of web mastering is at kn00b level. It's really easy to avoid getting indexed by well behaved search engines, implying e.g. Google, Bing, Yandex, ...
 * I took a quick tour down your references list, namely
 * 2. http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/11/19/actisearch/
 * 3. http://dailyiphoneblog.com/2012/11/20/cydia-tweak-review-actisearch/
 * 4. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2012/11/actisearch-jailbreak-tweak-search-numerous-sources-using-an-activator-action
 * 5. https://twitter.com/AppAdvice
 * And that's were I stopped, because not a single one of those mentions "iMast777" or "Rishabh Shanbhag".
 * - and since when did something posted on Twitter get to be treated as reliable & noteworthy sourcing(?!?).
 * I think you're confusing notability of software, with notability of the programmers who made it.
 * Incidentally, I found the International Business Times article, which you've cut & paste a quote from, rather amusing for two reasons:
 * - Calling iMast777 for a "Windows developer and security researcher" doesn't really testify to great journalism (Windows development is not a testimony to iOS skills)
 * - International Business Times didn't actually do much (or any) real journalist work; they admit so themselves in the article end line "[Source: iMast777 via Redmond Pie]" (and Redmond Pie doesn't even have a Wikipedia article about them.)
 * You say: "I have no connection with the user you have stated. I simply fell upon this page on iMast77's aka. Rishabh's Twitter"
 * So, you simply fell on the "Rishabh Shanbhag" Wikipedia page thanks to a tweet by Rishabh Shanbhag (iMast777, and then started to take care of the page on 6.Nov.2014, and have done so ever since, as the only thing you do and have ever have done on Wikipedia, in immediate succession of the banned user Jilkoms. (I still smell the stench of WP:COI, and even stronger when seeing the cleaner being used, but not to where the stench comes from.)
 * RQ (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You say: "I have no connection with the user you have stated. I simply fell upon this page on iMast77's aka. Rishabh's Twitter"
 * So, you simply fell on the "Rishabh Shanbhag" Wikipedia page thanks to a tweet by Rishabh Shanbhag (iMast777, and then started to take care of the page on 6.Nov.2014, and have done so ever since, as the only thing you do and have ever have done on Wikipedia, in immediate succession of the banned user Jilkoms. (I still smell the stench of WP:COI, and even stronger when seeing the cleaner being used, but not to where the stench comes from.)
 * RQ (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * RQ (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


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