Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rita Carla Francesca Monticelli


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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 13:22, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Rita Carla Francesca Monticelli

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non notable author. The book claimed to be a best seller is actually selfpublished, and has a total of 6 copies in worldcat libraries. The scientific publications are trivial.  DGG ( talk ) 02:01, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
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This issue has been addressed once already and there seems to be some confusion that Rita Carla Francesca Monticelli is not only a self published author as the International Thriller Writers Organization only accepts authors with at least one book published by a recognized publisher can join, in Rita's case her novel published by AmazonCrossing. This is a formal publisher not self published, where Amazon translates and covers the process of publishing as a regular publishing house. Ericlklein1776 (talk) 1:58 pm, Today (UTC+3) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericlklein1776 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * it remains true that the translated book is almost totally unknown, and I don't think has any reviews. Even if we accept that all the works are not self published, she still is not notable.  DGG ( talk ) 01:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC) The Mentor (translated book published by Amazon Crosssing) book was a bestseller on Amazon, it has over 1,100 reviews on Amazon US. also there is a news article showing it being on the top of the Kindle store in US, UK, and Australia -

http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2015/10/11/il-thriller-italiano-che-conquista-inghilterra-e-usa46.html (Italian) Ericlklein1776 (talk) 12:51, 2 October 2016 (UTC)


 * comment The 'International Thriller Writers' organization membership requirements do not categorically bar self-published authors from full membership. At the organization's website their position is summed up with
 * "Self published writers are not automatically excluded from being a qualified publisher, but they bear a higher burden to demonstrate their status."
 * — Neonorange (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment seems to have coverage in Italian, especially if you search on variations of her names. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:50, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC) I can add quite a few additional interviews and articles in Italian: The Big Thrill, the web magazine by the International Thriller Writer Organization http://www.thebigthrill.org/2016/01/the-mentor-by-rita-carla-francesca-monticelli/ Additional interviews about her books can be added from Wired and Tom's Hardware, was not sure if these were considered relevant. Ericlklein1776 (talk) 12:51, 2 October 2016 (UTC)


 *  Delete  Weak Keep Stub until article can be rewritten with new sources identified below. There are no independent sources in the article and I can not find evidence she passes GNG or NAUTHOR. Based on comments above, she has only one non-self-pub book. J bh  Talk  02:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC) Changeing !vote based on new sources. See my comment below.  J bh  Talk  19:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as no WorldCat holdings and essentially nothing else to what would've suggested a better convincing article. SwisterTwister   talk  05:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

As mentioned above, she does have a small WorldCat holding. Updated to include additional references, articles about Rita, and interviews with Rita. Added in her teaching authors and her being a guest at both the Turin International Book Fair and Frankfurt Book Fair (both with a reference). Added in details about how she was noted in Wired Magazine as one of the 10 best Italian independent authors. Currently getting translation of article where she is noted for having sold 200k copies of one of her books.Ericlklein1776 (talk) 18:44, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - a Google News search indicates notability (I don't speak Italian so I can't really check the entries), e.g.:, , , , . --Fixuture (talk) 19:13, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Three of those look like good coverage in RS. One though is a blog review and the last one looks like some Amazon promo. I think she will squeak by GNG because of the coverage she has attracted as a successful sulfa published author rather than passing NAUTHOR. Changing !vote to weak keep but I would be happier if someone were able to incorporate the sources. J bh  Talk  19:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

The sources above are already incorporated in the article (except one that is less relevant). Also notice this one from La Repubblica (one of the biggest newspaper in Italy) which is already included in the article. There are also more from notable magazines (Tom's Hardware and Wired) in the references.Chee74 (talk) 19:22, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


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