Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rizin Fighting Federation (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (Non-admin closure). Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:03, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Rizin Fighting Federation
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Procedural nomination of declined speedy deletion. It is claimed that the federation has become more notable since the last AFD. I offer no opinion myself. SpinningSpark 00:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Marchjuly (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Marchjuly (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - Asides from the dozen or so MMA-oriented sites, I see coverage in ESPN, Las Vegas Review-Journal , and Perth Now Sunday Times for mainstream outlets. Apparently the December 31, 2015 event in Saitama Super Arena covered by ESPN was the inaugural event for this MMA federation, but they have major names such as Fedor Emelianenko and Kazushi Sakuraba associated so I see no justification to put this article to the torch. Jun Kayama 01:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Vice News profiled Rizin . WP:RS. Jun Kayama 04:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Vice News I feel meets WP:RS and additional coverage from ABC News, Fox Sports and Bleacher Report   has also been forthcoming. While the emphasis has been on reporting the Emelianenko matchup, this is understandable since the federation only started hosting in December 29 and 31 of 2015. I suggest Keep until the April 17 event, and if nothing worth WP:NSPORT comes from it I will be more than happy to support an AfD for this article. As for the quality of the events ... I have no position on that aspect, only whether there is WP:RS coverage present. Jun Kayama 20:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Err, notability is not temporary, and it seems evident (based on the links you have provided) that the subject of this article overwhelmingly meets the standard notability requirement of significant coverage in two independent reliable sources. If it passes now, then I don't see how one could argue for deletion later, regardless of what happens on April 17th. 72.182.50.9 (talk) 08:26, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Since this is a successor organization to Pride Fighting Championships by the same founder with the same stated organizational ethos, I would argue in the absence of the April 17 event that merging content with Pride is worth consideration, not for outright deletion. The point however is moot, as Rizin appears to be funded for the calendar year. Jun Kayama 14:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't see additional significant coverage now that they've held their first two events from when this article was deleted two months ago. The article's sources are more like fight announcements/results or, like the sources mentioned above, really about Emelianenko and his fight.  The organization doesn't inherit notability from Emelianenko. Papaursa (talk) 01:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've crossed out my vote because, while I'm not convinced there is enough non-routine coverage from reliable sources to meet WP:GNG, I don't feel strongly enough to fight about it. I'll go with the consensus of other editors. Papaursa (talk) 04:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Jun Kayama. Papaursa is either lying about the promotion not getting additional coverage after televising the two events on Japanese, Russian, and American television (on SpikeTV) or did not bother to actually look.  For example, Karim Zidan of SB Nation described the first event "heard on laptop screens and television sets around the world" as "a reminder of a bygone decade" and noted that "the 10-minute opening round was certainly a welcome addition to the broadcast and helped distinguish Rizin from its international competitors" and that the "show surpassed all expectations." See here.  --24.112.230.227 (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * As a new editor you might want to check out policies like WP:NPA, WP:AGF, and WP:NPOV. For example, the article you quote said it exceeded expectations "due to the exceptionally low bar set", that "they will become nothing more than a novelty show", showed "irresponsible booking that highlights a lack of care for the fighters involved", and was "cringe worthy" with freak show fights. Or the Vice News (is that even a reliable source?) story that had comments like "turned my stomach", "retrograde spectacle free of technique or ability", and "circus fights and endless beatings of one-time greats". Mdtemp (talk) 19:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep as no fact-based reason actually exists not to keep it. --173.241.225.193 (talk) 20:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice to see another new IP from Ashland, Ohio.Mdtemp (talk) 20:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Whatever, Papaursa... --173.241.225.193 (talk) 20:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'm not comfortable clsoing this quite yet, and think some additional input would be helpful. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Additional events are being scheduled for April 17, July, September and December 2016 with talent shared from Bellator MMA Blackeye88 (talk) 12:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment It would be better if the Keep votes could address notability rather than it exists, is planning more events or is associated with Bellator - none of which are valid reasons for Keeping.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yet, no valid reasons have been presented for deleting it. --24.112.230.227 (talk) 19:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - sources found by Jun Kayama seem to be sufficient for keeping at this point.--Staberinde (talk) 11:15, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep WP:SK, no argument for deletion, and no one has yet !voted delete.  Note that if there is no one in the community who wants to prepare a deletion nomination, there is no need for a deletion discussion.  Also, please see discussion at WT:Deletion policy where I have proposed a place to request AfD nominations.  Specifically for IP editors, User:Graeme Bartlett has suggested using draftspace.  Unscintillating (talk) 05:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


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