Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob Capriccioso (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. -- Cirt (talk) 21:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Rob Capriccioso
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Reporter without notability established. Contributes lots of places, but so do lots of people. Was deleted twice before. AW (talk) 23:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 23:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Native Americans, Aboriginals, and related indigenous peoples of North America on Wikipedia. Capriccioso is no less a notable Native American writer than the Native American writers listed at Native American writers. User:Awiseman|AW appears to live in the same city of Washington, DC as Capriccioso, I respectfully ask that User:Awiseman remove himself from editing this page due to potential bias towards the subject. Hochungra
 * That may be, but I see no notability established. Saying somebody is just as notable as some other article that exists isn't an argument that can be accepted. And I disagree that living in the same city makes me biased and thus not allowed to edit the page. Should no one be allowed to edit pages about places they live, for example? --AW (talk) 22:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked to see which other Native American writers were listed before creating this page. Capriccioso is a notable NATIVE AMERICAN journalist. Most links are not to his own sites but to Indian Country Today, the primary source of news that Native Americans in the U.S., Alaska, Hawaii and Canada turn to. Cappriccioso is well known to his readers. Perhaps not notable to you but he is to the Native American population. Please do not discount Native Americans who turn to Wikipedia for their schoolwork assignments etc. Deleting his page will dilute the presence of notable contemporary Native Americans from Wikipedia. I suggest you somehow know him since your editing isn't normally of writers, and that you for whatever reason, given your proximity to him, hold a bias against him. You've tried repeatedly to delete his page. Let others editors work on his page, if he doesn't hold up against the standards we've used for other Native American writers then those editors can make the decision to delete. --Hochungra (talk) 19:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete - Reasoning as follows: (1) The article is required to pass the test at WP:N of "significant coverage in reliable independent sources". While the article cites many sources, they are mostly not about Capriccioso but rather by him (and are therefore neither signifcant coverage of the topic, nor independent).  Those sources not by him do not mention him by name.  (2) The article claims Capriccioso is a four time winner of the Native American Journalists Association media awards.  Generally winners of notable awards are assumed to be themselves notable.  However, while the NAJA is a notable organisation, I can find no evidence that this particular award is a notable award.  (3) For the above reasons I can find no evidence that this journalist is notable within the Wikipedia meaning of notability and the page should accordingly be deleted. (Also, for what it's worth, I see no conflict of interest problems in Awiseman's contributions above.) - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have taken the liberty of reformatting the following comments by Hochungra to reflect the fact Hochunga has already !voted above. Please revert if you feel I have unfairly altered their intention or relevance. - DustFormsWords (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Bias and ignorance against the Native American Journalists Association and Native American writers/journalists is again raising its ugly head on Wikipedia. The NAJA entry was once deleted as well because the editors who chose to delete it had no idea of its significance. The NAJA Awards are recognized in the multicultural journalism world as very respectable and important. Just because a random Wikipedia editor has no knowledge of that world does not make them insignificant. Capriccioso is one of the only Native journalists who reports from Washington, D.C. on policy and political matters involving tribes. The articles he has been awarded for support that fact. I also submit that user Awiseman should not be allowed to edit this page, as he is a DC blogger who likely has a conflict of interest. - User:torrenceg —Preceding undated comment added 14:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC).
 * (cont) - The Native American Journalists Association was also marked for deletion as not being notable, and was then deleted by a Wiki editor. I had to reinstate that entry Feb. 2010 as a notable organization, which took hours of work. Their awards are as notable as those of the African American, Asian, Latino and other journalism organizations. Capriccioso is a notable journalist, per every one of the 600-plus tribal chairmen and tribal leader in the U.S., those who interact with tribal issues (tribes are located in the majority of states in the U.S. and that is what Capriccioso covers) and tens of thousands of readers. Students assigned to study Native American issues use Wikipedia as an encyclopedia to study just such noteworthy people as Capriccioso, and other Native American writers, whether their work appears in books or other print media.--Hochungra (talk) 14:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * (cont) - I found and added three (3) references to Capriccioso in books he has not authored.--Hochungra (talk) 16:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The above references are more than sufficient. Dcwash nov 22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcwash (talk • contribs) 23:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - The new references are just quoting what Capriccioso has written elsewhere. They're still not ABOUT him, in that you couldn't use them to write an article about who he is and what he's done. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - I note that Torrenceg and Dcwash are recently created accounts with very small numbers of edits, who have apparently stumbled onto this discussion despite never participating in an AfD before. While good faith is assumed, participants are reminded that it is against Wikipedia policy to canvass for votes (WP:CANVASS), operate multiple accounts (WP:SOCK) or contribute to a discussion a friend is involved in so as to create the illusion of a wide range of agreeing viewpoints (also WP:SOCK). - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am also concerned about these accounts. Torenceg's only edits are in December 2008 on an early AfD of this article, and this month, first on this AfD and then on NAJA. DCWash's edits are not quite confined to this and the earler AfD as he has also created one article. Dougweller (talk) 17:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

--Hochungra (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please note I am in no way connected to users Torrenceg or Dcwash. Also for the record the related Native American Journalists Association entry is again marked for deletion, this time for alleged copyright violation, which I have refuted. I don't understand this ugly bias against Native American writers. I am not seeing this pattern against African American, Latino or Asian journalists or their journalism organizations. This page is turned over to the Indigenous project on Wikipedia, for honing by those editors knowledgeable in Native American issues and affairs. Do not delete.