Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob L. Wagner


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Carrite, I sympathize with your IAR argument but sorry, no can do for a living person. Also, it is unclear if the coverage that Sgtrinaldi claims to exist is significant. However, there are no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator and the article does have some sourcing. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Rob L. Wagner

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Article about a journalist that fails to assert sufficient notability and which is an BLP that relies solely in primary sources. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I really hate this challenge. It is very difficult to source out biographies of journalists. This is clearly a good one, informative and seemingly accurate, for a veteran journalist and newspaper editor of 35 years' standing. Owing to what I consider a major defect in WP notabiity doctrine, it will probably end up being blown away for lack of so-called "reliable sources." It's very annoying, actually... Ignore All Rules Keep — use common sense for the betterment of the encyclopedia. Carrite (talk) 15:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment In many ways, I agree with Carrite's argument. On the face of it, Wagner appears to be a solid journalist with years of experience and a significant voice for Islam from a non-Islamic perspective.  The problem with Carrite's argument, and the problem with the article itself, is that none of this information is verifiable.  While it appears that Wagner has a great deal of credibility and influence, there is nothing to prove this.  Based on the sources that are available, all we know is that Wagner is a former minor journalist and author writing about some minor issues in local California history who has gone on to be a prolific writer on the topic of Islam.  Prolific does not mean influential, however.  Evidence of such influence would really help this article.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep – There are sources that show that this person is notable. Inter rest (talk) 20:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Would you care to share said sources?? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 06:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep I originated this article based on following this person's work for a couple of years. The Media Line news website keeps its archive behind a paywall, so there is no evidence of his work there as an independent source. However, as of 6-11-2011 the home page has three articles by this person. Peace and Conflict Monitor archives his work and has a brief bio on him, as do the Eurasia Review and MidEastPosts. The Saudi Gazette from my understanding did not digitize its archive until 2008, after this person left its employ. However, there is enough data from these websites in my view to confirm his biography. I also understand the University for Peace (Peace and Conflict Monitor) has a fairly high standard for publishing white papers, so they certainly vetted this person before publishing his work. This individual does not generate much controversy, but is a consistent presence in Middle East political reporting, so it shouldn't be ignored.--Sgtrinaldi (talk) 11:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Addendum: There are at least three recently published film/politics/crime books that identify Mr. Wagner as a journalism historian. "The First Lady of Hollywood: A Biography of Louella Parsons" by Samatha Babbas (2005) identifies Mr. Wagner as a journalism historian and uses his book "Red Ink, White Lies" as a primary reference. Mr. Wagner's writings are also cited as a scholarly source in "Big Daddy: Jesse Unruh and the Art of Power in Politics" by Bill Boyarsky (2007) and "The Black Dahlia Files" by Don Wolfe (2006). These books can be found on google.books with references to Mr. Wagner. There are other books, but these are the ones that can easily be verified online. --Sgtrinaldi (talk) 11:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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