Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert B. Brewer


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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 00:17, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Robert B. Brewer

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Robert B. Brewer was a career U.S. Army officer.During World War II, he served with the 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment and was seriously wounded in the Netherlands. After a break in service following WW II, he rejoined the Army and eventually was promoted to colonel. He served as an intelligence officer with the OSS and CIA during the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Much of the information on his page is sourced to a family web site. Brewer does not qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia under WP:SOLDIER or based on any significant coverage after his retirement. Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 01:44, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment - The Brewer article is one of those that could be greatly expanded if his accomplishments were on the public record but he was an intelligence officer and they're not. The only reason I've left the text sourced to the family page in the article is that I knew the AfD was on my list.-- <b style="color: red;">Georgia Army Vet</b> <i style="color: white;">Contribs</i> <b style="color: blue;">Talk</b> 01:55, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * A very interesting article and subject but it does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for substantial coverage in reliable indeoendent sources. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:00, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete As noted by nom, the bulk of substantive information is sourced to a family website, or to sources which establish rudimentary information like DOB from the SS death index. A RS source from the Center for Military History simply recounts the subject's involvement in the Battle of Quang Tri City but provides no more detailed information. Article fails WP:NSOLDIER and WP:GNG. Chetsford (talk) 02:31, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I saw only a few name checks in Google Books, and no coverage in depth in a web search. Fails notability tests.104.163.148.25 (talk) 07:03, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Significant coverage of his Vietnam role + we have the usual band of brothers coverage. Regarding Vietnam: - (and some others). Note that being a province senior advisor with the following staff -  -may qualify as NPOL/SOLDIER. Note there are quite a few hits as Bob Brewer - e.g. in "Bob Brewer"  "Quang Tri" google book search.Icewhiz (talk) 11:26, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per coverage and sources identified by Icewhiz. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Nice search. I had only found the one ref to Quang Tri. If the result is to keep, we can use these.-- <b style="color: red;">Georgia Army Vet</b> <i style="color: white;">Contribs</i> <b style="color: blue;">Talk</b> 16:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hard name (Robert, Bob, and Brewer are all common) - and seems he mostly went in Vietnam as Bob (appearing in many books - including some that he is all over the place (e.g. Team 19 in Vietnam: An Australian Soldier at War where he is on 29 different pages (referring to him as the CO in various instances) - as only the rather informal Bob). Had to filter by his service record. By my count his Quang Tri is present in at least 10 books (+ a journal article) - I didn't assess each one for RSness/quality (but they do appear legit).Icewhiz (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. not a notable military figure. There are other websites for this sort of celebratory material. DGG ( talk ) 03:44, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * His main claim to notability is his CIA career, and particularly his role in managing Quang Tri. While formally he was in army service during his CIA career - this was for the most part a mere formality - evaluating notability via the military perspective would not be correct.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 04:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - With all due respect to an American hero, the only claim to notability is that the subject was portrayed without credit to the actor in one episode of a miniseries. That is insufficient for purposes of WP:ANYBIO criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 13:02, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Rpclod misstates, there is coverage in several books, some already on the page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep There is SIGCOV of his activities in Vietnam, and note that an individual does not have to qualify under SOLDIER if he has received sufficient coverage for other reasons, in this case, intense post-war analysis of the American role in Vietnam has led to several detailed discussions of his role by writers including Stephen E. Ambrose in his his book Band of Brothers (book).E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources identified above. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:02, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- the role in Vietnam does not appear to be significant, and the coverage is in passing and / or incidental. Not notable for the WW2 career either, and there's nothing better. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:38, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Icewhiz. This is not a 1E article because Brewer is notable for his role at the CIA managing Quang Tri and for being portrayed on Band of Brothers. I believe that even the former would already justify an article because of the extensive coverage found by Icewhiz. Davey2116 (talk) 05:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree that he does not meet WP:SOLDIER, but service in WWII and Vietnam seems to have attracted enough coverage to pass WP:GNG.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  22:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jdcomix (talk) 21:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Brewer's service with E Company consisted of parachuting into the Netherlands and being shot; he did not return to the company until late in the war.-- <b style="color: red;">Georgia Army Vet</b> <i style="color: white;">Contribs</i> <b style="color: blue;">Talk</b> 03:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


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