Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Buntine (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Robert Buntine
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Non-notable person. His achievements were being the headmaster of a private school, and coaching the high school rowing team, far below first-class standard of sport. He did not coach anyone at first-class or international level. Half the references are about his parents, and apart from one obit, the others are just school newsletters talking about school level rowing comps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adsfvdf54gbb (talk • contribs)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 02:10, 17 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 02:10, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Do we really have to go through this all again? Castlemate (talk) 02:35, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Why are we here again - does anyone know how to fix this AFD template ? Aoziwe (talk) 03:34, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I fixed the AfD template, but the prior AfD ended as "no consensus", so that would explain why we have to go through this again. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete secondary level sports coaches are very, very rarely notable, and nothing suggests he is an exception.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:44, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep coach at secondary level of no less than seven future Olympians so he is notable. The fact that he was accorded a obituary in the SMH shows him to be an exceptional teacher. Castlemate (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * None of the sources say or name these seven future Olympians and he did not coach them when they were at first-class or international level. Second, the SMH source is not indept, as the obit was written by a school staff member David Roberts and another two school colleague Jon Wickham and Michael Smee . This is just a run of the mill school teacher and amateur sports coach, who happens to be remembered by some folks in a rich social circle at some private schools. It is typical for people at these places to think that their local sports competitions with other private schools are automatically of high quality, which they are not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adsfvdf54gbb (talk • contribs) 06:07, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Do I detect a certain inverted snobbery in the preceding unsigned comment? It is peculiar to see that this new editor has taken such an interest in deleting Robert Buntine immediately upon joining Wikipedia. Are we reading the opinions of a Sockpuppet? Unlike Wikipedia the Sydney Morning Herald makes known who is writing its articles. If you do a little reseach you will notice that the people who authored the obituary have wide spread backgrounds amongst different schools and so this is not school scruf or proganda for one school. David Roberts is a former Director of NSW State Archives (1998-2008) and any article authored by him will carry the weight of his considerable independent reputation. Jon Wickham and Michael Smee are notable retired headmasters of two notable schools. The "local sports competitions" referred to are regattas that have received enormous press coverage for over a century and are sufficiently notable to be covered by Wikipedia. The seven future internationals who were coached by Buntine at schoolboy level and have Wikipedia bios were: Stephen Stewart, James Stewart (rower), Geoffrey Stewart, Robert Jahrling, Matthew Long (rower), James Chapman (rower) and Richard Wearne. Castlemate (talk) 15:22, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete; I have to go this way this time, because there's just nothing here even vaguely within cooee of WP:GNG. Last time I was under the impression that SMH obits had different standards than they (clearly) do, and while that obit is by far the best source here, it cannot be considered independent. Frickeg (talk) 13:20, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:14, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per WP:NOTINHERITED. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. High school sporting coach is no claim to notability. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete these reference none is sufficient enough to show meeting WP:GNG. The only non-mention coverage is obituary written by member of staff/friend, but such ref is not independent source and it even inches toward breaching WP:NOTMEMORIAL policy by using it as significant evidence of notability –Ammarpad (talk) 17:45, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - nothing really improved since last discussion, still cannot find the in-depth coverage necessary to show they pass WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


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