Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert D. Clark Honors College


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The result was redirect to University of Oregon. Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Robert D. Clark Honors College

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This college does not meet notability criteria in any way. The college supports about 0.03% of the student population at the University of Oregon. I got that percentage from the UO page, which lists their enrollment at 22,298 students (with a source, of course), compared against this UO article which says the Honors College has approx. 800 students. Out of the four sources on the college's page, three are from the parent university, and they're just fact sheets, not sigcov. There are a few articles I've pulled up from Newspapers.com, but most every one I've looked at out of the 73 results are just one-line name drops about where a student is attending college, so not worthwhile in any way with proving notability. There's one piece actually about the college, but it's the quintessential definition of hyper-local; it's a 1984 piece from the Lebanon Express (circulation 2,149) with no byline that says the enrollment in the college was up from 211 to 410 students. At 15,000 students enrolled at the time (per the same article), even with the higher number in the Honors College at 410, that's even worse than the current abysmal enrollment rate at 0.02% of the student body. I have not found sources unaffiliated with the uni that cover this institution with any amount of significant coverage. All the pertinent information can easily be wrapped into the larger Uni of Oregon article. Kbabej (talk) 15:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. Kbabej (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Kbabej (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:45, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to University of Oregon. Possibly relevant article here, additional source here--18:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Jahaza! Thanks for the sources. I had seen the JSTOR piece, but am not able to access it. The second source is two sentences without sigcov, and half of that is a quote which I believe is from the college itself, though I can't access the footnote. Do you have access to either the JSTOR piece or to see what the footnote is on the second source? --Kbabej (talk) 19:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have access to the JSTOR reference via the Wikipedia Library and Springer publishing:
 * Singell, L. D., & Tang, H.-H. (2012). The Pursuit of Excellence: An Analysis of the Honors College Application and Enrollment Decision for a Large Public University. Research in Higher Education, 53(7), 717–737. http://www.jstor.org/stable/41679545.
 * It discusses Clark Honors College (CHC) throughout all six sections, and how "it represents a typical honors college."
 * The quote from the second source (Old Main, Small colleges in Twenty-First Century America) is from Digby, Joan, Peterson's Guide to Honors Programs, Princeton, NJ, (1977). All three sources look reliable, and the Digby source, though old, also appears to have significant coverage of RHC. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 17:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think the Old Main source has only passing mentions of CHC beyond the quote from Digby. Even though it's reliable, it is dubious it withstands the bar for significant coverage of CHC. Part of the problem is the sort of random way Google books displays the pages that are identified on a search-- sometimes it hides pages that were available previously, then the next time gives full access (minus a few other arbitrary pages). Anyway, I just wanted to retract my thought above that it could serve as significant coverage for GNG purposes. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 18:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thoughts and update, @Grand'mere Eugene. I don't have access to JSTOR, so that's helpful. So from your research it sounds like we've got one source (the "Pursuit of Excellence" article). I don't think one source is enough to support the article; I wouldn't include the hyper-local 1984 piece from the Lebanon Express (mentioned in my nom statement) a useful second source. I think this college info can easily be wrapped into the parent article. But I'm also still open to be convinced if you feel strongly it should remain or if there are other sources we haven't seen. --Kbabej (talk) 19:04, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I will not be voting in this AfD because I taught at UO and one of my nephews is a graduate of Clark Honors College. Even though I think I can be objective, I acknowledge it's too close a connection. Were I voting, I would count both the 1977 Peterson's Guide to Honors Programs and the "Pursuit of Excellence" article, and a third source: Honors Pathways and Curriculum Structure" (2022), pages 14, 20-21. Even though this third source is undergraduate research, it seems to me it is reliable, secondary, and substantial coverage. Plus, it's current. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Grand'mere Eugene I appreciate the input. Given the Old Main source is only a passing mention, and the student project is, well, a student project, I still believe there's only one source supporting the notability of this school. The student project seems to be a regurgitation of the school's recruiting info, and there are no inline citations for where the student found the info. I would not consider it sigcov, as there does not seem to be an analysis of the info, just a repetition of it. Regardless, glad we crossed paths. I've seen you on the Oregon project and hope to be more involved in Oregon articles. Cheers! --Kbabej (talk) 15:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: I found another source from UO's student newspaper that may be of interest, especially for NPOV: The honors problem: Extra tuition and high dropout rates in the Clark Honors College. And, if redirect is under discussion, consider as a redirect target Honors colleges and programs, which credits CHC's establishment in 1960 as the first of the current model of honors programs. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 03:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That’s the source I used in the AfD nom (third sentence) but I don’t think it counts toward notability, as it’s the school’s source and a student paper. I have no qualms either way about where this gets redirected to. —Kbabej (talk) 04:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: per Nom or as ATD "Redirect to University of Oregon". Student newspapers just do not advance notability for a stand alone article. -- Otr500 (talk) 11:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to University of Oregon. Easy, based on existing sources and those uncovered with a simple Google search. No evidence of standalone notability outside the University of Oregon. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  21:23, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


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