Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Frodeman


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The result was Keep. No difficulty in finding reliable sources. Clearly meets criteria for WP:PROF per well-known works established. Also, the absence of birthdate has no relation to reinforcement of notability. Remember that even Jimbo doesn't know his exact birthday. @pple complain 14:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Robert Frodeman

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Delete contested prod; very short article written by an editor whose username "Frodeman" suggests a WP:COI. Fails WP:PROF, and so nn that we don't know where or when he was born red flags of non-notability in modern biographies - for those who disagree on that point: what sort of biography would you expect to see in any almanac, encyclopedia, or any source that omits these basics - if we can't come up with them from some RS, tells you a lot about the person's coverage in RSes. Carlossuarez46 21:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions.   -- Pilotbob 22:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philosophy-related deletions.   — A. B. (talk) 02:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - No significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Subdolous 22:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:BIO. Doctorfluffy 00:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep the claims of COI and so nn as not to have a birthdate are probably incompatible--if he or his immediate family wrote it, they could have inserted it had they thought of it--but it's just an inadequately written faculty article--too modest to even mention his positions and degrees.  I added the five books he's written or edited and a mention on his 30-some articles. His work has about 100 refs in Google Scholar. Two of his books have about  400 library holdings each. He's editor of 2 major ref. works.    The appropriate thing to do for articles like this is to suggest to the author that s/he expand it. I do not know how careful a search was made to find "no significant coverage"--I found book reviews and references to his work just in Google Scholar and WorldCat. There is no reason to assume a poor quality article means a non-notable person. No, I still haven't found his birth date. But that wouldnt have been what made him notable.DGG (talk) 00:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Certainly not incompatible - one of the major problems with COI is that you only get the information they want to tell not the whole story as we expect in biographies. Carlossuarez46 03:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG. -- A. B. (talk) 01:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Multiple hits when I did a 30-second Google's News Archive. Here's one from the Chronicle of Higher Ed:
 * Monaghan, Peter, Earth Sciences Through the Lens of Humanities, Arts, and Theology, The Chronicle of Higher Education, 18 April 2003. Retrieved 6 November 2007.
 * -- A. B. (talk) 02:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:PROF per DGG. Afd is not cleanup. Skomorokh  incite 05:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


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