Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Holloway


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. It's unclear whether there's a consensus for a move target, but that can be handled editorially. Star  Mississippi  01:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Robert Holloway

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Robert Holloway

This biography of a living person has verifiability problems as well as notability problems. As to verifiability, under the current cricket notability guideline, there is no statement that this individual played at the international level. There is also no mention of anything that resembles significant coverage to establish general notability. But the more basic problem is that this stub doesn't have any references. If references to reliable sources are added within seven days, they will still have to provide significant coverage.

There probably should have been a proposed deletion, but we might as well publish this. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Cricket,  and New Zealand. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Certainly no problems with verifiability: he has a profile at ESPN Cricinfo, which is a reliable source. I note that he was also called "Bob Holloway", so searches will need to be conducted under that name also. StAnselm (talk) 21:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - There was a verifiability problem when the article didn't have any references, and it didn't. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I suspect that if Papers Past was as complete for the 1960s as it is for the 1930s that we'd be able to find enough to build a decent article. I'm fairly certain he went to Southland Boys High School, may have worked at James Powell & Sons in Christchurch, and there's some coverage - there might just be enough, I'll have to see (this, for example). But failing that there is a clear and obvious WP:ATD-M (NB to closer: policy, not guideline) here in a redirect with a merge of appropriate content to List of Otago representative cricketers. This follows a consensus developed in terms of cricket articles going back to 2018 or so. A note will need writing for the list, but that's easy to do. I'll see what I can find later, but for now I would suggest redirecting as the worst case. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:48, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm working on this and finding quite a lot of bits and pieces. Given that a lot of news sources are missing from this era, I'm increasingly confident that this will be a keep once I'm done with it based on WP:BASIC levels of sourcing. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Formally changing my opinion to keep based on expansion. There are more than enough passing references with extra bits of detail in some to, in my view, meet WP:BASIC requirements. I'm not done yet, but the best sources are to come as it happens. These are almost all from The Press because that publication has been digitised. The Otago Daily Times stops it digitised content in 1950 - before Holloway played. Under WP:NEXIST I am absolutely certain that there will be more articles with more in depth content - including about his club play in Dunedin. If you consider the sorts of sourcing that was found earlier this year in the cases of Alfred Hollings or William Priest, for example (or Clifford Gibbs), I am totally confident that if we were to be able to access the paper archive of the ODT that we'd be able to find these - I honestly have no doubt whatsoever, but it's a bit far for me to pop to Dunedin just now. I appreciate that there isn't one book length source here, but that's not required - there's enough in my view to meet BASIC. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd like to know more about the match he played against Fiji (which isn't even mentioned at Fiji national cricket team). StAnselm (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Paper's Past has reports of each match on both the 61-62 and 67-68 tours. There's not a huge amount we could add here, but there's some interesting coverage in general terms. The 67-68 match was apparently on a bit of a batting minefield (he made 4 and 9 as Southland failed to chase down 118...) Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment - If this is kept, please move/rename it to Robert Holloway (cricket) and make the main title a disambiguation page. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I'd be more tempted by Bob Holloway, but would agree about a disambiguation page if that's required. I assume you're thinking about Bob Hollway being the issue? That would also probably be a good idea if it was to be redirected. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per Blue Square Thing's additions: Not quite a WP:HEY, since the majority of the additions are about lower-level cricket, but there's enough here about him playing for Otago to get him over the line. StAnselm (talk) 16:36, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Following BST's expansion I think there's enough here for a GNG pass. I wouldn't be against a page move to Bob though (with relevant disambiguation). Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:05, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


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