Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Keiser


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The result was delete.  JGHowes   talk  01:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Robert Keiser

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I can't find any coverage of this person. His main claim of notability is quite weak, which is being an executive director of a barely notable school (Southeastern College, formerly known as "Keiser Career College"). Both the article on him and the school were written by a user whose previous username was "KeiserUniversityPR". – Thjarkur (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. As an aside, his father, who is also in the for-profit (and pseudo-for-profit) university business and who does not have a separate article, appears in RS more frequently than his son. Caro7200 (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Small for-profit diploma mills are definitely not the kind of "major academic institution" demanded by WP:PROF, and we have no evidence of passing any other criterion of WP:PROF or any other notability criterion including WP:GNG. So even if we set aside the promotionalism evident in the article's creation history, we have no reason to keep this. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete not everyone who leads a small for profit career training institution that tacks "college" onto its name is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:BASIC. Coretheapple (talk) 14:30, 7 October 2020 (UTC)


 * KEEP Hello . I created this page. I am not a PR agent for Robert Keiser or his employer, Southeastern College. I am a former employee of Keiser University, which is a separate entity from the school Robert Keiser operates. As you can see from my previous edits. My interest is with small, private colleges (both nonprofit and proprietary). I plan to provide updates and information to as many of these types of pages as possible and just happened to start with one that I am familiar with. I Don’t consider that promotion; I have knowledge of a subject and used it to contribute to Wikipedia. I plan next to create a bio pages for Barry University president, Mike Allen, who I have never met, but am also familiar with. I also plan to go through many of the pages at List of colleges and universities in Florida and provide updates to those that do not contain much information.

With that said, I think it is unfair for anyone here to make the claim that my work is promotional. In a quick search, I found cases of collegiate administrators who have pages that are more poorly sourced than this one. And I’d argue that these examples don’t hold up to WP: BASIC or WP:GNG; and yet they are not facing possible deletion.


 * Martha Dunagin Saunders – Only one source.
 * Kevin M. Ross – The only source is his bio page on Lynn.edu, the university he works for.
 * Damian J. Fernandez – I’d argue these sources are similar to the ones I used in my article.

The sources I included for Robert Keiser are, in my opinion, far more neutral than many of these. I avoided using his bio page in an effort to remain neutral. And in regard to notability, I think it’d be an argument to prove that these administrators meet a higher standard of notability than Robert Keiser who helped get the Fitness Integrated in Teaching (FIT) Kids Act passed initially.

While I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing, that should not be an automatic sign that I am attempting to promote something or somebody. This page was not done to promote, and I’d encourage you to assist me correct any potential issues that exist rather than simply deleting it.

Should the page be deleted, I’d ask for your advice and guidance in re-creating it when and if the time is appropriate — and I’d ask you when is the time appropriate? What justifies notability? Based on the examples I provided, you can see why this is not easily answered for a new editor.

, thank you for your information about WP:AFC. I will certainly use it next time I create an article. Thank you also for the info on WP:COI which I did I not know existed. I will do my very best to follow these guidelines and identify when a potential conflict of interest occurs on my behalf. I am now employed with another university in Florida so such an incident could occur. KCS18 (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as vanispamcruftisement. At a first look, the subjects of the three articles mentioned above pass WP:PROF, and even if they did not and had no other grounds for notability, that would just mean we haven't gotten around to deleting them yet. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you . Robert Keiser is not WP:VSCA. Look at the unbiased sources explaining his role in the FIT Kids Act. On the other hand, Kevin M. Ross appears to fall under the vanity concept. According to WP:PROF, Robert Keiser meets that criteria based on his role. Now, there is some discussion about Southeastern College's position as "major academic institution," but the same can be said about many colleges and universities. And thank you kindly for sharing the information on WP:WAX. The page clearly says "Just notable/Just not notable" isn't a clear argument for deletion.


 * Delete per nom -- Devoke water   (talk)  13:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


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