Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Lewis Dear


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting. (non-admin closure) sst✈(discuss) 09:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Robert Lewis Dear

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May qualify for A7. We already have an article on the 2015 Colorado Springs shooting, an article on the shooter is inappropriate and unwarranted - especially so early after the incident. WP:1E applies, in my opinion. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:26, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Revert back to original - It was once a simple, appropriate redirect article. As much as I would like a Perpetrator section in the main article, a separate article on the suspect himself does sound too premature. For now, he's no Dylann Roof. 75.80.175.107 (talk) 04:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, redirect and salt as redirect Fails WP:BLP1E. I declined CSD A7 as inapplicable. A mere ASSERTION of notability is all that is needed to overcome CSD A7 and the article makes a credible assertion of notability. But again, actual notability fails under WP:BLP1E. Let the AfD run its course. Safiel (talk) 05:37, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting per WP:BLP1E. He has done nothing else in his life to demonstrate notability. WWGB (talk) 05:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the main article. I agree that this is premature, it an be undone if warranted later on. Observer31 (talk) 06:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect per WP:BLP1E. -- Callinus (talk) 06:16, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:20, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:20, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:20, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

*Merge into 2015 Colorado Springs shooting, as long as the picture is actually public domain. This guy is notable for a single event and information regarding him is valid in the context of that article, but DOES NOT warrant it's own article.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 10:42, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Moving to Delete and Redirect as the 'almost' edit-war about the perpetrator over on the Shooting page is done for now, and there is now a perpetrator section which has basically the same information.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 23:45, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ugh. Now it's in the investigation section. Current events get too many people fighting over them. Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 23:49, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge into 2015 Colorado Springs shooting. This guy is notable for a single event and information regarding him is valid only in the context of that article. Nocturnalnow (talk) 16:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and leave redirect per above, WP:BLP1E, and the WP:UNDUE concept. — Ched : ?  17:23, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge Once the media covers his trial, he'll be notable for two events. If he's guilty, and they cover his incarceration, that'll be three. But for now, there's not much to be said about him, independent of the shooting. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 *  Keep, merge or redirect - Robert Dear is a pivotal figure with respect to the 2015 Colorado Springs shooting, and if the article is not kept, his name should at least redirect to that article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:48, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting, because WP:1EVENT. epic genius (talk) 22:34, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge: per 1EVENT Delta13C (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting. Quis separabit?  23:36, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Delet Sstting the event the subject of the article was involved in this individual is not notable. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect —Мандичка YO 😜 00:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per WP:BLP1E, and WP:TROUT the article creator. Eclipsoid (talk) 01:30, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per above KevinCuddeback (talk) 22:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting. BlAcKhAt9(9 (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting per 1E. Close as Snowball. gidonb (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting per Crime_victims_and_perpetrators. Basileias (talk) 16:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete but leave redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting. There is currently nothing significant enough in this article to warrant a merge. Relevant info about the suspect can be appropriately added to the main article in the suspect section, via normal editing practices and through established policies/guidelines. Isaidnoway  (talk)  19:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, but leave as a Redirect—nothing at all notable for this person other than WP:ONEEVENT. This does not constitute censorship, as description of the alleged perpetrator, subsequent court events, and ultimate resolution of the case can all be covered in the main article for the event.  N2e (talk) 21:55, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete but leave redirect since there's nothing really warranting merging. Poindexter Propellerhead (talk) 23:00, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete As per WP:1E. ParkH.Davis (talk) 19:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect per WP:BLP1E Bad Dryer (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Snow Redirect before it becomes a coatrack of garbage. Other name variations redirect to the shooting.  This odd article does not.  --DHeyward (talk) 06:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Snow Redirect - I think it's fair to say there's a consensus established above. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. NickCT (talk) 11:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting, which will hopefully get a more reasonable name since there is more than one(!). DreamGuy (talk) 00:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep- Deletion of the article is completely unnecessary. The article will grow in information as the trial proceeds. Robert Dear is an important enough person to have an article separate from the shooting. If Mohamed Atta gets to have his own article, there's no reason for Dear to not have his own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.48.67 (talk) 01:07, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect - under WP:BLP1E. If there is some lasting importance to him, now is not the time that we'll see it. --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:27, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose any snow close Enough of a dispute between those who want a merge and those that want a redirect without a merge to warrant leaving this open 3 more days. We are already 4 days into this AfD, so 3 more days won't hurt. Safiel (talk) 05:03, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * - I'm not sure the anyone is opposing a redirect. NickCT (talk) 22:56, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * - Well, there clearly is a consensus for leaving a redirect, but there seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether to merge the content or simply kill the content and redirect without merging. In any event, only 2 days left until eligible for normal close. No reason to close earlier. There is a snow consensus for redirect, but not in regards to the merge issue, thus a snow close is not indicated in this situation. Safiel (talk) 00:51, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * - re "simply kill the content and redirect without merging" - I'm not sure that's right. I don't think the people voting "redirect" are necessarily opposed to the "merge & redirect" position. There's a little ambiguity between between what a "Merge" and what a "Redirect" is. I'm inclined to think that unless someone explicitly states they're opposed to one of those, then they're probably OK with both. NickCT (talk) 14:00, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 *  Reply - Merge and redirect will, for the most part, have about the same effect. Dear's name is already mentioned in the "2015 Colorado Springs shooting" article, so it is only a matter of how much information about him will be written in that article.  This can be discussed on the talk page for that article, or simply added at will without violating WP:UNDUE. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * - Yes. The difference between Redirect/Merge is really a discussion for that article's talk page. NickCT (talk) 14:24, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 *  Reply - With that being said, I am willing to let this discussion continue until December 6. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:03, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm quite confused by your comment "I am willing to let this discussion continue until December 6". You are the one deciding how long this AfD discussion will remain open?  Since when and by whose authority?  -- WV ● ✉ ✓  19:41, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 *  Reply - I do not object to this discussion continuing until December 6. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Much better and more appropriate (as well as accurate). -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:03, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting per WP:ONEEVENT. Any notable information about him should be noted in that article. Titanium Dragon  (talk) 11:48, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to 2015 Colorado Springs shooting per WP:BLP1E and its usefulness as a search term. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.