Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Maloney (doctor) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Robert Maloney (doctor)
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GNG fail. The last AfD claimed there were lots of sources out there, but in 14 years basically none have been added to the article. --- Possibly &#9742; 22:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete nothing even close to passing either GNG or academic notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Besides plausibly passing GNG (e.g. LA Times, Wired, Extreme Makeover, and more), and possibly passing NPROF#2/3 (Lans Distinguished Award by the International Society of Refractive Surgery, American Academy of Ophthalmology award) he passes NPROF#1 due to highly cited papers on LASIK, many papers (at least 20) with more than 100 citations each.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 09:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC) Tweaked and corrected.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 08:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  02:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC) Extremely strong keep. The article needs references added, but as pointed out by User:Eostrix, GBG and ACADEMIC are passed. The doctor's papers have been cited enough too. The previous AfD on this article was a nearly unanimous keep, including a keep vote by an administrator named David Eppstein who happens to be the person that wrote the criteria for academic notability. Plus if this is true: "Maloney was the first surgeon in western North America to perform LASIK surgery as part of the original FDA clinical trials" then who cares about notability criteria, because "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." The concerns expressed by nom are better left for the talk page or a WikiProject Medicine where people might have interest to add the missing references, but AfD is not the place for this article. Keep in mind AfD discussions almost always get kept permanently, along with any part which might affect the subject's reputation, including the fact that the article was nominated for deletion in the first place --- This needs to be avoided for living humans as much as possible, so AfD is a last resort, and if the only concern is lack of references added in the last 14 years since the last AfD failed, then WikiProject Medicine is probably the best place to take it first. Dr. Universe (talk) 07:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep If you search "Dr Robert Malone" in Google News you get 4.430 hits. This suggests that he's clearly notable. The article currently lacks information and it would be good to improve it, but there's no reason to delete it. ChristianKl  ❪✉❫ 12:40, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * speedy keep per GNG and WP:NPROF, with a MA profile showing high citation rates and 10 papers > 200 citations he should pass the bar, add the other claims (first doctor to perform LASIK), the awards and there should not be any question. --hroest 21:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


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