Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Martin Gumbura


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 21:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Robert Martin Gumbura

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Biography of someone who is only notable for being convicted of a crime. Fails WP:PERP. - MrX 19:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Zimbabwe-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep: Admittedly this is a very brief, poorly written stub that is focused on the fall from grace of a particularly influential, controversial and ultimately notorious figure. However, he is not only known for the crimes for which he has been sentenced. The figure in question is notable, and especially to church-going Zimbabweans, in that he has lead an errand section of the apostolic faith in Zimbabwe (the largest of the faith-based Christian groups). I think an expanded and properly referenced article on him and, by extension, his church group could lead to a wider understanding of the current religious context in Zimbabwe and its treatment of women. If it is kept, I am willing to work on it to see if it can be made into a valid article.Isla Haddow (talk) 20:43, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 01:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Comment I'm not sure what purpose the article serves. Nothing links to the article except for deletion related links.  The wikipedia page does not come high up the list on a search on "Robert Martin Gumbura" OR "Robert Gumbura".  Over all I think it is a risk keeping the article here as, perhaps, the only person that might want to edit the article is the convicted man.  Beyond that I really can't make up my mind on actual notability but I agree that it is notability for all the wrong reasons. Gregkaye (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles don't have to be wikilinked to come up in google results, plus its an easy job to work some wikilinks in. A lack of wikilinks, an easy to fix matter, is not a reason for deletion. JTdale   Talk 09:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I would be much happier if wew had an article on his church, and a few links. Could it be userified to Isla Haddow, with a view to his bringing it up to an acceptable standard?  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, there are oodles of sources available on this individual besides those in the article, including this, this and this. The current poor state of the article is not a reason for deletion.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC).
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 09:00, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * (Response to above) - It is. The current situation of any article is a reason for deletion, if we want to keep our standards high and the name of WP up. Some articles must be made from scratch and for that reason may be deleted, like this one. This is why I propose to Delete and userfy the text to whomever interested in developing an article for a criminal. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 09:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:Deletion_policy - This plainly states editing should always be done instead of deleting. If someone wants to start over, they press Select All then the delete button and begin writing. JTdale   Talk 11:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Clarity: I am happy to work on the article if it is kept. The point is not to "develop an article for a criminal", but to develop the article to see how a criminal could develop within one of the largest churches in Zimbabwe. If you only look at the "good" in society, you are only covering half the story. Isla Haddow (talk) 13:55, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - that the article is badly written is really not a reason for deletion when it is like in this case a notable article subject.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.