Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Morrison (Phi Delta Theta)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 13:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Robert Morrison (Phi Delta Theta)

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Non-notable person. Only possible claim of notability related to being 1 of 6 original members of a fraternity. I'm sure there are some felicitous fraternity sources extolling his virtues, but those do not satisfy WP:N's "requirements of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" GrapedApe (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  05:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep -- I am English and not familiar with American fraternities, but Phi Delta Theta would appear to be a notable organisation. It thus follows that its founder should also be notable.  Some one thought highly enough of him to award him a DD, and if this was an honorary one (on which the article is not clear), they belived he was notable.  The problem with the article is that it is little more than a stub and tells us nothing of what he did in the last 50 years of his life.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. The last 50 years of his life is now covered, with substantial souccing. -- 202.124.73.22 (talk) 05:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Notability is not inherited (NOTINHERITED). Just because he founded a notable fraternity does not itself make him notable.  There are not other legitimate claims to notability in this article, nor does it pass WP:GNG.--GrapedApe (talk) 05:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTINHERITED doesn't really apply here, since the founding of Phi Delta Theta satisfies WP:N. -- 202.124.75.49 (talk) 12:51, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Your argument is that Robert Morrison is notable through Phi Delta Theta. How is that not classic WP:NOTINHERITED?--GrapedApe (talk) 03:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No. It would be WP:NOTINHERITED if we argued that someone was notable simply by being a member of Phi Delta Theta. In this case, Robert Morrison did several things that satisfy WP:N, including being the primary founder of Phi Delta Theta. Given the NYT and other obits and the other biographical material, this seems as clear a "keep" as I've ever seen. -- 202.124.75.213 (talk) 09:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. There are a plethora of books about the founding of Phi Delta Theta and Robert Morrison's role, some of which are cited in the fraternity article. There are also Morrison's other activities. -- 202.124.75.49 (talk) 11:26, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wifione  Message 11:43, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. There exist plenty of sources that go into detail about him. It would be absurd to interpret "independent of the subject" as meaning "independent of anyone ever connected to the organization founded by the subject", but even if one does, the sources include what appears to be a NY Times obituary (although the Times isn't actually showing me its contents). WP:BIO1E is more of an issue, but we have enough sourced detail of important events in his life outside of the fraternity (e.g. as editor of a newspaper, head of two schools, and what looks like an honorary doctorate) that I don't think it's a problem. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Both NYT articles have a click-through to a pdf of the article contents. Or at least they do if you access the site from Australia. -- 202.124.72.213 (talk) 10:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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