Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Paczków


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The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 02:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Robert Paczków

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I couldn't find reliable sources to support notability. He has only 1 MMA fight, thus failing WP:MMANOT. I could find no reliable sources to support the claim he's a 2 time amateur world sumo champion or that he's won over 30 medals at European and world championships. If the claims can be sourced, he's clearly notable. Papaursa (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  —Papaursa (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete unless reliable sources are added. I agree with Papaursa's comments about the world and European championships. Janggeom (talk) 14:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - outside of his personal website, it's difficult to find information about him, considering sumo isn't the most reported sport ever.

This source claims he's a former Sumo Champion.

This source contains a .doc which contains the sentence "2nd place Heavyweight 12th Sumo World Championships 2004"

I think that the article should be kept as there is some mention of his success. Additionally, fighting for Cage Rage is a big plus combined with sumo.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The article's claims of success mean nothing without documentation. One MMA fight in 2007 is insufficient for notability and the sources you mention don't convince me they're reliable (it's more likely they're based on information from the subject).  Even if the second source is reliable, and there's no indication where the information came from, I find it interesting that the highlight claimed is a 2nd at the Sumo World Championships in 2004 when the article claims he was a world champion in 2001 and 2002. Papaursa (talk) 18:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Weak Keep His one fight doesn't make him a notable MMA fighter. As for his other achievements, additional sources for his sumo career and amateur championships: .  It provides sourcing for several of the article's claims.  Does it make him notable?  Barely .... maybe.  --TreyGeek (talk) 10:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Update, changing vote to delete based on the research and comments by and  below. --TreyGeek (talk) 19:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The third source is the only one that looks like it might be a good source. The 4th source is a judo club website and appears to be the basis of the article.  I'm just having trouble determining the reliability of these sources, as well as the conflicts (such as the highlight being a second place after supposedly being a two time world champion) and trying to see how someone wins 30 medals at European and world championships in only a few years.  The claims just look to be repeated over and over in the references mentioned and maybe that's sufficient.  I hope someone puts the aforementioned references into the article. Papaursa (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Seems to be fairly well written but is poorly sourced. Also, I would consider him notable. -- WölffReik (talk) 13:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Uncertain The claims are noteworthy, but I'm concerned about the sourcing. I'm not seeing any really convincing sources that show notability and I do see contradictions.  However, the claims keep cropping up in a variety of places, although the subject may be the source for all of those--I just don't know. Astudent0 (talk) 14:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated my vote based on the research by Whpq and Papaursa. Astudent0 (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 *  Keep  - This is the ranking information from the International Sumo Federation. It confirms that Paczków was a top-ranked amateur Sumo wrestler, but does not shed any light on claims for a championship.  Notability (sports) would seem to indicate that the subject would need to be a professional to meet nobility as a sumo wrestler.  As such he does not make it as a sumo wrestler, and one fight as an MMA doesn't make it either.   However, the article also mentions that he also wrestled.  This profile from FILA whows he has competed at the World Championships.  It's unclear to me if thisd was still as a junior.  If so then, I change to delete. -- Whpq (talk) 16:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your research. I checked the FILA records for those world championships and compared the winners of his division with the senior division winners.  They are not the same, so he was not competing in the senior (highest) division.  FYI--he finished last in his division. Papaursa (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - thanks for your followup. I'm switching to delete based on the wrestling being only at a junior level. -- Whpq (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Interesting discussion, but it looks like he fails all of the possible notability standards. 131.118.229.18 (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


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