Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Pierre (musician)


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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  23:38, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Robert Pierre (musician)

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Doesn't meet the notability guideline for musicians, specifically, no coverage from independent, reliable sources Jon Kolbert (talk) 22:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 22:58, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 22:58, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak keep has claims of passing WP:NMUSIC as was signed to a major label, Sony. Atlantic306 (talk) 09:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * struck vote, see below Atlantic306 (talk) 16:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Being with Sony is a spurious claim, Atlantic306 (talk), as my research can find no evidence of this being true. An unsourced claim of an association with SONY BMG originated with an edit to this page on 13 Feb 2009 by an SPA editor who is most likely the subject of this article. It is credited to his first album, and yet per my research his first album was recorded for and released by a small vanity Christian label, Beatmart. That label was apparently acquired by Provident, which is owned by Sony BMG. Provident is the umbrella for the distribution of many independent subsidiary properties, and that is being used to make a claim of the Sony association. But that doesn’t mean he has ever been signed to, recorded for, and released for either a major or notable independent label, per the WP:NMUSIC criteria. Just bringing this to your attention in case you want to modify your ivote. ShelbyMarion (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, found his last 3 albums have been on Thinkaboutit label including a 2017 album not mentioned in the article which has not been kept up to date. Have struck my weak keep vote and will reassess after a full sources search which I haven't had time for yet Atlantic306 (talk) 16:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete no evidence he meets our notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't source it. However, he's young, he's got several thousand twitter followers, he's a worship leader at Harvest Bible Chapel, it's probably just a little WP:TOOSOON.  Feel free to ping me to revisit if anyone can source it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)strike that.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:02, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep using WikiProject Christian music/Sources have found reliable sources coverage such as here,  here, here, here and here. Have added these rs references to the article so that it now passes WP:GNG. Atlantic306 (talk) 10:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Atlantic found sourcing at Cross Rhythms, Jesus Freaks International (Organization) Crosswalk.com.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:02, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep changing iVote after Atlantic's sources prompted me to search further, using keywords including "album" and "Christian" together with his surprisingly common name, I have expanded the article a little, adding his tour with Winter Jam as warm-up act, and long profile of him that ran in the Orlando Sentinel.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:02, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Some of the reliable source coverage found by Atlantic306 (talk) are of dubious independence (e.g. anyone can submit a review here: http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/becomeareviewer/) or where for a “donation” you can get press (e.g., see http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/indiemusic/submissions.asp ). It’s tough to distinguish between legit coverage versus user-submitted promotional, and I’d be more comfortable with the integrity of the article if these were edited out of the references. However, the other sources look legit and a major piece in The Orlando Sentinel found by E.M.Gregory (talk) are enough to confirm the subject is notable even if the references can still use some scrutiny. ShelbyMarion (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


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