Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Worthington-Kirsch


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The result was Weak Delete. Cbrown1023 22:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Robert Worthington-Kirsch

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Does not meet notability guideline for Wiki Biography WP:BIO. Also, single contributor, possibly, WP:VAIN --Hollerbackgril 18:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

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 * Comment - Google search reveals 560 hits including:
 * Feature news story on NBC-10 Philadelphia
 * invited speaker at British Society of Interventional Radiology
 * Quoted in Springfield MO News Leader aticle on UAE 9/12/04
 * Quoted in article in HealthMeasures.com 9/8/03
 * Quoted in article in Diagnoastic Imaging 8/1/06
 * Speaker at National Conference on New Advances in Women's Health, McLean VA 10/1999
 * Published article in Endovascular Today 1/06
 * Noted as prominent provider of the procedure in interview with Dr Scott Goodwin, one of the originators of the producedure in esi-topics.com
 * referenced in 4 books on Amazon
 * delete Only three of the article the page lists were peer-reviewed. This is below the average, so he does not qualify as a scientist. As a clinician, giving intrviews and speaking at meetings does not make him notable,   All medical specialists do that, as a form  of advertising. If a medical proceedure is only mentioed in a couple of local sources, then it isnt notable as a clinical advance.
 * The first paragraph of the article is self-advertising puffery. The second is a list of his education. He says he is an Assistant prof. at a Phila med School.  Oddly, he does not list their web site as a source--but checking their catalog I find him listed as a Clinical Assistant Professor, which is not the same and probably not just carelessness.
 * We need a special N standard for clinicians, because he isnt the first to try to get listed in WP. When they actually have done significant research, or won academic awards, then they deserve to get in as academics. He hasn't and doesn't. And as a clinician, an notable clinician would have quite a lot more to show. DGG 05:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - As far as I can tell, his most prominent publications in refereed journals have been co-authored by many many other people. Several things strange about this: 1) Why not list the co-authors and give them credit? 2) None of his co-authors have wikpedia pages. I can't see why he should have one, while the others do not. E.G.: Francis Hutchins, R Berkowitz, George Popky, James B Spies, Jay M Cooper John C Lipman, Benjie B Mills, James F Benenati, and the list goes on and on. I wish he would put up the co-authors names and properly credit them for the articles he lists. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hollerbackgril (talk • contribs) 09:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Weak keep - very marginal. A google news archive search is only just good enough to get past WP:N... Addhoc 14:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


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 * Neutral I don't know enough about WP's criteria for notability of clinicians. However, when I go to www.pubmed.org and search for "robert worthington-kirsch" I see a list of 20 search results that look quite legit. I could be persuaded to give a definite vote for or against deletion if someone can look at these 20 results and tell me what their quality reveals. For a start, if this article is to be kept, I would expect to see all the cited references in the article to be properly spelled out, with all their authors, and with their PMIDs supplied, because that allows access to their abstracts. Currently the article doesn't have that.  EdJohnston 22:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)