Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roberto "Cyborg" Abreu


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The result was   keep.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 02:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Roberto "Cyborg" Abreu

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Seems like self promotion. Crio de la Paz (talk) 16:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

This article achieves notability due to the fact that Abreu is a competitive Jiu-Jitsu practitioner. He has competed and won some pretty big tournaments in his sport (like the ADCC, World Nogi, Brazilian Nationals, etc.) He has received press from many sports publications (GracieMag International, The ADCC organization, The Jiu-Jitsu Lab, etc.)  Since I'm not Roberto Abreu, and don't have an American IP it should be pretty evident that this is not self promotion. This article is still a stub. . . so I'd appreciate help from any other Wikipedian's in expanding it. Regards, --Stvfetterly (talk) 16:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I do not know if the Wiki is the place to post about every competitive brazilian jujitsu practioner. I understand the main people of the art to be notable, but not every single succesful fighter. I do think it would be unwise to have articles for every competitive practitioner of every art. Of course if he is notable enough: There is a list of notable brazilian jujitsu practioners on the Encyclopedia. It would be wise then to evaluate if he fits in that list. --Crio de la Paz (talk) 09:13, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * This reasoning doesn't make much sense with regard to the way wikipedia treats other sports. Look at Toronto Argonauts players Matt Black (Canadian football), Wes Lysack, Willie Pile, Lin-J Shell, Dee Webb, Noel Prefontaine, Chad Rempel, and Grant Shaw.  None of them have recorded as many awards or as much recognition in their sport as Abreu has in Jiu-Jitsu, yet each of them have a wiki page.  The same can be said about New York Mets baseball players Mike Baxter (baseball),Zach Lutz,Rubén Tejada,Jordany Valdespin, and Fernando Martínez (baseball).  It doesn't make sense that bench-warmers for team sports are given wiki articles uncontested, but world champions in martial arts are not considered notable enough.--Stvfetterly (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * KEEP Cyborg is huge in the world of grappling! He just won bronze at the 2011 ADCC which is currently one of the most prestigious grappling events in the world. He's one of the top super-heavyweight jiu-jitsoka currently competing. Buddy23Lee (talk) 19:13, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. The ADCC medal makes him notable, since the ADCC is the top world competition for submission grappling. Article could stand some cleanup, but this isn't really the place for that. -208.81.148.195 (talk) 20:31, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He easily meets the notability standards at WP:MANOTE and there are independent sources to support notability claims. Papaursa (talk) 03:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep There's no doubt he meets the notability criteria at MANOTE or even GNG. Astudent0 (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I cleaned it up, so there shouldn't be a problem with self-promotion now. Jesanj (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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