Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robin Dundas, Earl of Ronaldshay (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  14:05, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Robin Dundas, Earl of Ronaldshay
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Not notable in his own right. He is a courtesy Earl but there is no certainty that he will become a Marquess and we should cross that bridge when we come to it. For now he doesn't seem notable (other than for who his father is) and I don't believe he passes WP:GNG. Uhooep (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete (as for the Earl of Dalkeith)  Athel cb (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep has a UK Who's Who entry https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.U33086 Piecesofuk (talk) 15:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As mentioned elsewhere having a UK Who's Who entry is not one of WP's notability criteria. Uhooep (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I've misread Wikipedia Notability: Notability (people) "The person has an entry in a country's standard national biographical dictionary", which links to an article that mentions Who's Who Piecesofuk (talk) 22:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Piecesofuk, It says "The person has an entry in a country's standard national biographical dictionary (e.g. the Dictionary of National Biography)". [which is a reliable source], however goes on to say "entries in biographical dictionaries that accept self-nominations (such as the Marquis Who's Who) do not contribute toward notability" Uhooep (talk) 07:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * UK Who's Who doesn't accept self nominations: "But how do you get into the big red book, the latest edition of which is published this month? Although many have tried, you can't buy or bluff your onto the list. New entrants - of which there are about 1,000 a year - are invited to "join" after a lengthy vetting process, says a spokesman for the publishers, A&C Black." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1119959.stm Although it does say "If you are a peer, MP, QC, or high-ranking officer in the armed forces, you gain automatic entry. Ditto for those awarded a CBE or OBE." If Wikipedia majority doesn't want to include these sort of notable people, then fair enough Piecesofuk (talk) 09:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Overall seems to lack significant notability other than as the heir to his father's title. I think at the moment he can easily be covered at Mark Dundas, 4th Marquess of Zetland. Dunarc (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete While the Who's Who mentioned above can be considered a reliable source in some cases, which is not the case for the other Who's Who, just being mentioned in a reliable source does not give notability. The actual guidelines calls for multiple, mentions in reliable sources that are significant. The mention of this person in Who's Who does not really meet the significant coverage requirement.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


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