Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robin Hughes (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Listed for 14 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Robin Hughes
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fails WP:BIO and WP:ENTERTAINER. Yes, he was in a lot of things, but his roles were almost entirely uncredited extras for films and single-episode appearances for TV stuff. Ironholds (talk) 15:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I dispute that his roles were "almost entirely uncredited extras...". In fact the vast majority of his eighty-four known roles were credited.  Just as a single case, just his role opposite Rosalind Russell in the very famous film "Mame", by itself would merit an article on him.  His role as the Satan-like figure in "The Howling Man" is one of the most-viewed episodes.  While I agree that no one has expanded the article beyond a stub, there is plenty of material with which a person might do so. Just that no one has, is not in my mind, grounds for deletion.  A decent article could be created simply by re-noting his appearances from IMDb in some sort of textual flow. Wjhonson (talk) 23:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because IMDB is not considered a reliable source per WP:BIO. Ironholds (talk) 23:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your claim is false. IMDb is not mentioned at WP:BIO Wjhonson (talk) 04:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, either you misunderstood or I didn't make myself clear. IMDB is not considered a reliable source as required by WP:BIO. This is because IMDB is made up mostly of self-published or user-submitted information; it isn't reliable for the same reason that Wikipedia isn't reliable. Ironholds (talk) 14:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I understood you, and your remark was clear. However it's not accurate.  IMDb is not mostly made up of self-published or user-submit information.  Secondly we have no requirement in WP:BIO stating anything like what you said above, in the first place.  In fact the word "user" or "user-" isn't even in that guideline.  Thirdly we do in fact allow, and even encourage self-published information, see WP:RS.Wjhonson (talk) 23:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, I'm not saying it's in WP:BIO, I'm saying it's in WP:RS. The general acceptability of IMDB has been disputed for quite a while, as this demonstrates; if you can show that the information was not written and submitted by average joe I'd be happy to include it as a reference. Given that it's a reasonable possibility the burden is on you to show that it's false. Ironholds (talk) 23:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * [outdent] The claim that "it's in WP:RS is false. That policy does not mention IMDb.  Your link to Citing IMDb is simply another failed proposal.  The community stated that the proposal is rejected.  Therefore it has no weight whatsoever in this discussion.Wjhonson (talk) 05:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

By the way, this is not a second nomination. This Robin Hughes, is a completely different person from the prior Robin Hughes. They just happen to share the same name.Wjhonson (talk) 04:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. A hard call, because the name is common, and tracking down refs for B-list 1950s/60s actors isn't easy, and almost all the Google News search results that turn up are behind pay walls. But there's one very clear signal that he was a recognizable name of the time -- relatively extensive coverage (multiple articles) regarding a paternity suit against him --and enough movie reviews and listings turning up in the news search showing a moderately long list of credited roles in multiple films, enough to satisfy the "multiple" requirement of WP:ENT, and undermine the nominator's claim that his movie career was "almost entirely uncredited roles. And the Twilight Zone episodes is one of the series' most famous, based on a story that's regarded as a classic in its genre. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Marginal keep. He has a reasonable number of credits in some well-known films, some good (Auntie Mame, Dial M for Murder, The Flame and the Arrow) and some hilariously bad (The Thing That Couldn't Die, The Mole People). Plus how could you delete someone who has played both Satan ("The Howling Man") and the voice of Christ (Quo Vadis)? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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