Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robots and Racecars


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ignoring the open proxies, we are left with a clear consensus to delete. Courcelles 23:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Robots and Racecars

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Band of questionable notability. Some local airplay and coverage, but little significant coverage from independent reliable sources - mainly simple listings, primary sources, and social media. Fails WP:BAND. MikeWazowski (talk) 19:21, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. Per references: http://www.radio1045.com/pages/studio/robots_and_racecars.html (Philadelphia Clear Channel Radio Station) http://www.theinshow.com/music/robotsANDracecars.html (LA Radio Station) http://stickam.com/liveforjapan (National website, talks about a show played with many bands — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.90.36.191 (talk) 19:36, 12 September 2011 (UTC) — 190.90.36.191 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep. This entry should not be deleted because the band meets the following 2 points
 * Comment - neither the Philadelphia or the LA station airings constitute rotation on a national network. As for Stickam, that is a social website featuring user-generated content. Being on that website does not equal a major national network. MikeWazowski (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - While stickam.com features user created content, the band has been featured by the site admins and looking at page http://stickam.com/liveforjapan, it was an event that the normal user could not be a part of. bands were hand selected and only a few played. the event.

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because the band receives radio airplay nationwide, is sponsored by a national sponsor (Red Bull) and hosts a weekly national show on Stickam.com seen by thousands weekly. There is some relevance to the subject. an. — 69.249.105.212 (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC) [edit] Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because Robots and Racecars is a well established music group who has been around for a number of years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.73.221 (talk) 17:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC) [edit] Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because Robots and Racecars plays with national touring bands and people may want additional information after seeing them. . — 76.98.228.214 (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2011 (UTC) [edit] Contested deletion

References are from national sources such as stickam.com (#1 social website), and radio1045 (clear channel owned station). also the aqurian weekly (longest running print magazine for punk rock). band is known due to playing with national touring and signed bands as well as weekly stickam show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.207.132.59 (talk) 19:29, 12 September 2011 (UTC) — 89.207.132.59 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. There are several non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. There are several references including newpapers, magazines and blogs. None of which look like they are controlled by the band. --212.7.210.88 (talk) 20:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC) — 212.7.210.88 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete Little significant coverage from independent reliable sources. Also note Afd is not a vote. Bacon and the Sandwich (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep avoids self-promotion; and includes information that can be verified through independent sources.--38.124.192.20 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC) — 38.124.192.20 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment A simple Bing search brings up: their Myspace, Facebook and Twitter pages and a few blogs. Bacon and the Sandwich (talk) 20:19, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment A simple bing search for any band brings up their Myspace, Facebook, Twitter and a few blogs. Reference list shows many independent sources of information. --189.3.50.34 (talk) 20:34, 12 September 2011 (UTC) — 189.3.50.34 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Really, are you sure. In all seriousness though, saying that doesn't mean it deserves an article. Bacon and the Sandwich (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep I just read all of the references in the article and they seem valid and independent. --89.207.132.59 (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC) — 89.207.132.59 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Admin note: At least most of the IPs in this debate so far are now blocked as open proxies. So they're probably the same user. You guys should knock it off with the sockpuppetry before I semi-protect this page. Thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I think they have enough exposure with the Red Bull sponsorship and playing with large bands. Looks reliant with the history, no self promotion and a good amount of references.  I see a need for this.--76.98.228.214 (talk) 21:11, 12 September 2011 (UTC) — 76.98.228.214 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Admin note:Of the five "keep" comments so far, four are from IPs with no edits at all except to this AfD, the article, or its talk page, and the other one has almost no edits except to this AfD. Three of them were made from open proxies, which are now blocked. I have no evidence as to whether the other two are proxies. Since the likely sockpuppet-editing has continued after zzuuzz's warning, I have gone ahead with the suggested semi-protection. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:44, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 23:18, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - No significant coverage in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 17:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: The tidal wave of sockpuppets notwithstanding, I see nothing that meets any of the criteria of WP:BAND. Such mention in any reliable sources other than the local weekly is only a couple sentences long, and does not meet the "significant detail" requirement of the GNG.  Presuming there is indeed a "Red Bull sponsorship" - for which no reliable sources have been proffered - so what?  I played for a youth hockey team that was sponsored by the local Coca-Cola bottler, but being "sponsored by Coke" didn't make the team notable.  Ravenswing  18:17, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Beyond the write-up mentioned above by Ravenswing, I'm not seeing any significant coverage in reliable sources; subject does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:BAND.  Gongshow  Talk 20:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:08, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.