Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roca Skolia (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Catherine Asaro. After reading the discussion, the best thing to do is to merge the articles to a cover one. As no such article exists at the moment, I am making temporal redirects to the author's page. Tone 16:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Roca Skolia
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as before; unsourced. non-notable fictional character bios that are inappropriate for inclusion. delete.

Also nominating:

These are all insignificantly improved since their prior no consensus closes.

Jack Merridew 21:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  -- Jack Merridew 21:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as unreferenced plot regurgitation -- unless there's an appropriate, non-crufty List of X, in which case redirect to the characters' entries there. --EEMIV (talk) 04:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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 * Merge all (and others) into a to be created  Characters in the Saga of the Skolian Empire Saga of the Skolian Empire. Especially since my experience with Jagernaut has shown that secondary sources can be found. Debresser (talk) 16:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I didn't think that Saga of the Skolian Empire was itself anything more than a redirect. Should not that be created first? Jclemens (talk) 16:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You are right. When I merged it, it was no more than a list of titles of the books in this series. Now we could use it to merge all these articles there, and Jagernaut as well. Debresser (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Debresser, there are no analytical secondary sources cited. This is simply not significant enough to generate such sources (unlike, say, Asimov's Foundation trilogy where there is significant scholarly analysis of what the characters were meant to portray). Wikipedia is not a fan-wiki, the general notability guideline exists because we are not a fan-wiki, not a directory of fictional elements and not a place to begin the process of documenting something. Guy (Help!) 20:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge all (and others) into a Saga of the Skolian Empire. per Jagernaut. Ikip  19:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included on the  Catherine Asaro page(s), which are related to this deletion discussion. User:Ikip
 * Keep Central characters in Saga of the Skolian Empire with some work articles could be salvaged. RP459 (talk) 19:33, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * These are indeed the most central characters. A fifth was deleted, IMO unjustly, and could also be restored to the new central article. Debresser (talk) 20:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * These are indeed the most central characters. A fifth was deleted, IMO unjustly, and could also be restored to the new central article. Debresser (talk) 20:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per Edward321's argument in previous AFD. Significant character in major series by award-winning writer. Given the extent to which Asaro's fiction has been written about and reviewed, particularly offline, the issue is not whether sufficient sources exist, but whether the fact that such sources don't turn up easily in Google searches justifies deletion of the article. The New York Review of Science Fiction isn't online, nor is Locus, nor Foundation, nor Extrapolation, nor many of the other sources where the needed sourcing can be expected, including even the review columns from the popular sf/f magazines. The fact that coverage isn't online doesn't make it insignificant. And, the last time I looked, WP:DELETEBECAUSETOOHARDTOLOOKUPBECAUSEITSNOTINDEXEDBYGOOGLE wasn't policy. (Maybe that's too sarcastic. But too many of these fiction discussions simply ignore the fact that there's a significant universe of sources that aren't Google-accessible. Book review indexes, for example, which are usually proprietary databases sold to libraries and colleges, for example.) In the prior AFDs, several of which were inexplicably not listed here by the (re)nominator, delete was generally the least favored !vote, after keep and merge. Since Asaro is one of those writers who writes sprawling series whose characters typically turn up in multiple books, content like this is useful for those interested in the writer; the question is over form (individual v. collective articles), and the nominator's lack of satisfaction over the pace with which that question is being addressed is certainly not a reason for deletion. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all Insubstantial fluff, suitable for a fanwiki but not WP. Wile E. Heresiarch (talk) 03:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge per Debresser. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.