Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rock Savage (film producer)


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The result was   no consensus. WP:NPASR -Scottywong | communicate _ 16:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Rock Savage (film producer)

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Do not see a claim or assertion of notability backed with reliable sources to meet notability guidelines for filmmakers or general notability guidelines. CutOffTies (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I am currently in the process of updating this article with more and better references. Please be patient. I feel this unusual, prolific producer of trashy-looking, trash-talking, art-noir film is worth at least a brief mention in Wikipedia. Folklore1 (talk) 23:17, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked out the sources and have been looking into this guy, but I'm not yet sold on his notability. He has one title listed on imdb and he wrote the plot summary for it himself. I don't doubt he's an interesting guy and I can see you've written and edited a good amount of articles, but yeah where is notability guidelines for filmmakers being met? --Redeemer12 (talk) 16:19, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I have added two sources whose authors obviously felt Rock Savage was notable enough to mention in their work: These sources suggest that Rock Savage may qualify under the notability criteria for Entertainers, because he has "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." Both sources also fit the Basic criteria of "secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Folklore1 (talk) 23:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * John Edgar Browning and Caroline Joan (Kay) Picart (2011). Dracula in Visual Media. McFarland & Company, Inc., North Carolina. p. 58. ISBN 978-0-7864-3365-0.
 * Mark Opsasnick (September 10, 2003). Miscellaneous and Unknown: Cultural Souvenirs from Prince George's County, Maryland. Xlibris Corp. p. 68-69. ISBN 978-1-41341-982-5.
 * It is important to analyze what these added sources are verifying. (ex. The citation for the Browning source is for the sentence "Dead to the Last Drop included original music produced by Marvin Kennedy, who played the role of Count Dracula in this anthology of three shorts about vampires." - Where it the notability claim?  That's trivia content verified by a trivia mention in the source.  Again, it does not claim or establish notability. --CutOffTies (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


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I have added a short section about Rock Savage's participation as a guest speaker at science fiction and fantasy conventions, with references for three examples that can be traced to independent online sources. Folklore1 (talk) 01:05, 29 April 2012 (UTC) 
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 I added a note on the article's talk page explaining my willingness to improve the tone and provide better citations. But let's resolve the notability issue first. My preferences is to keep the article. Folklore1 (talk) 02:49, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Note, the creator/only significant editor/advocate for keeping article has admitted a conflict of interest with the subject. See talk page of article. --CutOffTies (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC) 
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | confess _ 15:11, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Please explain why you feel I have a conflict of interest. So I know Rock Savage, but that does not necessarily create a conflict of interest. I live in Baltimore, but like many of our Baltimore editors, I don't think that is enough to disqualify me from writing about Baltimore in Wikipedia. Folklore1 (talk) 22:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

This discussion about conflict of interest is wandering just a bit from the subject: notability. I still feel that Rock Savage is sufficiently notable, regardless of whether I know him. Folklore1 (talk) 22:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - There lacks the significant coverage needed to meet inclusion criteria. -- Whpq (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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