Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rockport Junction, Indiana


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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 16:57, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Rockport Junction, Indiana

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Railroad junction mislabeled as an unincorporated community; my BEFORE search did not find sufficient significant coverage to meet GNG. The article was deprodded due to having several hundred newspaper references. These are nearly all passing mentions, the majority being daily timetables in the Jasper Herald, listings of where one can find a newspaper box offering free copies of "Best Bets" and various railroad-related miscellany. I'm not seeing anything that comes close to establishing evidence of a community or significant coverage that would satisfy GNG. –dlthewave ☎ 15:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography, Transportation,  and Indiana. –dlthewave ☎ 15:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by deprodded?--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 16:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the wiki-lingo. I had proposed uncontroversial deletion (PROD), and someone else contested the proposed deletion by removing the PROD template (de-PROD). This brings us to AfD which is for deletions that might require further discussion. –dlthewave ☎ 16:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that makes sense now.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 17:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Rename Rockport Junction (Indiana) per rail junction naming conventions and redirect to Lincoln State Park, where it is located, per NGEO: If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it. Djflem (talk) 16:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not notable, and there's no point in shoehorning it into the Lincoln State Park article. It's just not worthy of any mention, it's literally just a switch. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The 1979 U.S. Geological Survey that is the 2nd reference in the article classes it as a Populated Place. 3rd reference calls it a "community, now considered part of Rockport q.v." (as of 1995, the date that that source was published). I can't seem to acess the source from the first reference. So as per those sources, it appears that it is indeed some kind of community, and it is not a switch or junction as we assume today from the usage of the word junction, but was rather called junction because of that depot type thing that it was near, adjacent to the bit of railroad.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 18:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The first and second refs are the same GNIS source, which isn't reliable for labeling anything as a community as it's full of random locations mislabeled as "populated places". I'm not sure what to make of Hoosier place names; it describes a location "just east of Rockport, now considered part of Rockport" which isn't at all consistent with the coordinates which point to a junction 15 miles North of town. –dlthewave ☎ 19:25, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah the physical junction is indeed way north of Rockport as you say. I think the Hoosier source just worded it a bit carelessly, going directly east of Rockport would cross state borders into Kentucky. The junction is mostly north of Rockport, (although slightly east). However the section of the railroad that is going toward the junction is coming from Rockport, it goes mostly north but some time before the junction the railroad turns east and the section of railroad coming from Rockport to the junction appears to be coming from the east if you don't zoom out. I think the person who visited that Rockport Junction community to gather the information that eventually got published in that book just observed or was told at that time of the visit that the railroad comes from Rockport for which the junction is named and then observed that the railroad was coming from the east, and this never got checked or corrected.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 20:54, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The original author of the page seems to still be around. Maybe they can provide more information or insight into where this community lives or lived exactly in relation to the physical junction. Perhaps its simply people who used to live in what is now lincoln park or maybe it is people who used to live in lincoln park what is not the lake lincoln campground.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 21:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually scratch that lincoln park idea, I think I found the real rockport junction as mentioned in the Hoosier source, and its different than the other source. And it is in a place where it makes much more sense that there would have been a community there in the past. It is where the Rockport Generating Station is now located. It is a "junction" in the sense as mentioned in the hoosier source as it is a place where a kind of train depot seems to have been located in the past with the railroad seeming to end in some way. It's also more of a place where an end station would be which matches up with those other sources dlthewave found that he links at the top. And it is also east of rockport as the source mentions. And it is also visibly now part of the Rockport greater area. And it goes further, that area has alot of coal mining going on as we can see from the maps. I speculated that the community that used to live there were coal power plant and coal mining workers from past generations where it was still much more normal to live in the area that you worked in regards to large factories and perhaps also coal plants/mines.... so I dug deeper. As the Hoosier source is from 1995, i went to google earth and went back in time. And I finally solved the riddle. There were whole sections of rairoad back then that are gone now, and yes, west of where the power plant is today there used to be a junction. That junction is Rockport Junction. If you look at present day google maps you can still kind of see from the treeline and texture of the terrain where there used to be two railroads meeting in a junction. The axact coordinates of that junction are (37°55'41.5"N 87°02'46.4"W)or (37.928205, -87.046225)--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 21:44, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I actually found another junction that matches more with both sources. Hoosier and USGS. It is here (38.1072743, -87.0066634). It is still east of rockport, and it is visibly a train depot as matches with the Hoosier source. And it matches with the USGS source in its proximity to Chrisney which is its location according to the USGS source. The coordinates on the USGS source seem to be wrong because that source is internally inconsistent. The coordinates that are in the USGS source are between Gentryville and Lincoln City whereas that source also states that the place is in Chrisney which is way south of those coordinates. So in conclusion I think the Hoosier source is actually right, and the USGS just has the wrong coordinates but the information in it is decently correct.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 22:03, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


 * This book may provide more insight and this article which I can't access. Also this book.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 10:54, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable railroad junction is not what we should have articles or redirects for. This is not even an "informal place". Reywas92Talk 02:31, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The coordinates in the article are wrong, and point to the wrong junction. After the research (above) I have been able to uncover the actual junction. It has been noted as some kind of settlement in more than one source. It has also been noted as a place in a few other sources found by the nominator. Presumably there is source material that can be found offline given that there appears to have been a community there. The archive that was located online is only an indicator of what could be found. Also given that there are large scale coal mining operations right next to it the area was well surveyed in some way.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 10:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * delete I can find no map evidence for a junction at the site of the power plant, and the junction as mapped in the topos is just an isolated spot. I also see no point in redirecting to the state park. Mangoe (talk) 16:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Those coordinates are wrong. The junction at the powerplant no-longer exists because the segment of rail going into Rockport was removed, however if you go back in time in google earth you will find it. Also the junction that I think is actually the correct one does exist still in the coordinates that I mentioned, it is next to the railway depot as the book source mentions so that seems to match up nicely. These are the coordinates (37.973772, -87.039158). PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 18:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The second set of coordinates you give are within a few tens of feet of the spot given by GNIS; if you convert them to DMS the difference is a few tens of seconds on latitude and less than a tenth of a second on longitude. This last set is for the switch leading into one of Air Liquide's facilities, but it was installed no earlier than the late 1980s. The first set is another spot where the old topos and aerials show nothing, back into the early 1900s. I'm sure that the GNIS location is accurate and that it indicates a junction that was always isolated. Mangoe (talk) 00:02, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, i've been a bit sloppy as I was actively researching this while posting the replies, the first set of coordinates by the coal plant are supposed to be this (37.928122, -87.046246). The reason that I believe the GNIS coordinates are wrong is because it says its on the map of Chrisney which is way south of the coordinates. Also the other sources match much better with one of the two junctions I found because the junction is supposed to be in the greater Rockport area and the GNIS coordinates just seem to be way too far north for that. PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 11:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That just means it's on the Chrisney 1:24,000 quad map which covers a fairly large area North of Chrisney. Put in the coordinates from the article (38.107222, -87.006667) at Topoviewer and you'll see the Chrisney map in the results with Rockport Junction marked exactly at those coords. –dlthewave ☎ 14:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Railway junction lacks in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


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