Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rodrigue Akl


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   07:30, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Rodrigue Akl

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None of the teams that Akl has played in are in leagues that would grant him notability John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Has played for the Lebanese national team and currently plays in the highest professional league in the Philippines. Meets GNG:    --- PageantUpdater (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I just realized that Wikipedia notability sports, which appears to be a firm guideline, says something very different than what is posted at the basketball Wikiproject page. I made this nominarion having fully read the notability for sports guidelines for basketball. It has an explicit list of leagues that can be used. The Philippine Basketball association is not on the list at all. It then mentions getting picked in the first two rounds of the NBA draft. The last part mentions ways that one can be notable throgh the continental basketball association and the NBA development league. Which go much higher than just participating. No where in the guidelines for basketball at notability sports does it say playing on a national team makes on notable and nothing in the guidelines suggests there is any other standard.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lebanon-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 20:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I am not convinced either of the spurces cited by PageantUpdater count. This statement on baseball players would seem to apply elsewhere "Players and other figures who do not meet the criteria above are not presumed to meet Wikipedia's standards for notability. To establish that one of these is notable, the article must cite published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Fan sites and blogs are generally not regarded as reliable sources, and team sites are generally not regarded as independent of the subject. Although statistics sites may be reliable sources, they are not sufficient by themselves to establish notability." Akl does not meet any of the criteria set out at the notability for sports section. The first article pageant updater found is from an extremly gossipy source that I do not think meets most definitions of a reliable source. The second is not the level of "in depth" coverage that is needed to pass GNG. GNG is not met by passing one line mentions and it is the criteria at notability sports that are the actual guidelines with very tight lists of which leagues qualify.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:08, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that the baseball statement that applies to basketball. The basketball guideline was written knowing full well that many other players outside the relatively small number of leagues cited are also notable. That said, I agree that the player must pass GNG Anne have not had a chance to research this particular case Rikster2 (talk) 06:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete . If he had competed for Lebanon in the Olympic games, that would confer notability.  That's not the case.  At this time, however unfortunately, the PBA does not confer notability through WP:NBASKETBALL in the English Wikipedia. Jacona (talk) 15:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm removing my delete vote as it appears this player may meet gng.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Enough sources exist to demonstrate notability under WP:GNG, and it appears that there is a somewhat ragged community concensus that playing for a national team is in itself sufficient. For these reasons, I've changed my vote to keep. Jacona (talk) 15:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Here's another source: . I'm sure there must be something useful from Lebanese sources, too, but the content from the Philippines is the easiest to find. Zagal e jo^^^ 03:41, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:48, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Some promising sources. WP:OSE isn't really an argument, but all the players except one who play for the Lebanon Basketball side have articles. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 12:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


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