Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger Lambart, 13th Earl of Cavan


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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Earl of Cavan. Other subjects can be discussed separately on their respective merits. Star  Mississippi  21:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Roger Lambart, 13th Earl of Cavan

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Nobleman of the peerage of Ireland with no significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTGENEALOGY. Earls are not inherently notable. Possible redirect target: Earl of Cavan. Pilaz (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Ireland. Pilaz (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Earl of Cavan. Per nom, the very recent discussion at Articles for deletion/William Anthony Nugent, 13th Earl of Westmeath and WP:PEERAGE, people are not automatically notable by virtue of holding a hereditary title. If a subject's claim to notability arises, as it seems to here, *entirely* from the title they hold, then cover them in the article on the title. Otherwise it's a form of WP:BIO1E (where the "one event" is their birth; Or perhaps death of a relative). Otherwise, if all we can say is that the subject exists, went to school and holds a title, and the only sources (to support even that) are trivial mentions in short directory-style peerage entries, then that doesn't add up to SIGCOV or notability. My own WP:BEFORE search did not return any significant coverage. (Even a Google search seems *only* to return the related Wikipedia article(s) and mirrors.) Guliolopez (talk) 16:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If this article is deleted than Michael Lambart, 12th Earl of Cavan, Richard Lambart, 6th Earl of Cavan, Ford Lambart, 5th Earl of Cavan, Richard Lambart, 4th Earl of Cavan, and Richard Lambart, 2nd Earl of Cavan should all be deleted too. History6042 (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Why so? In the same way that notability isn't automatic/inherited, "lack of notability" isn't automatic/transferred/"contagious" either. One of those people, Richard Lambart, 2nd Earl of Cavan, seems to have been an MP for the Kilbeggan constituency, and so may meet WP:NPOL. For example. While Ford Lambart, 5th Earl of Cavan seems to have been a big deal in Masonic circles, and has been covered in works on that topic. Which might contribute to notability. There doesn't seem to be similar/other "claims to notability" in the case of the subject under discussion here. Guliolopez (talk) 17:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with here, there are some which meet WP:NPOL and each should be judged on its own merits. With that being said, I see plenty of poorly-sourced articles, and if after a rigorous WP:BEFORE on the part of the nominator they are seen as not compliant with the GNG, I could see them being nominated for deletion. Pilaz (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


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