Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger Peterson (pilot) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to The Day the Music Died. Consensus for restoring the redirect of 2016 and no notability established for a stand alone article. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:18, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Roger Peterson (pilot)
AfDs for this article:


 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

Wikipedia is not a memorial and Peterson is a classic case of WP:ONEEVENT as his only claim of notability was being the pilot of the plane that crashed on The Day The Music Died. The article has few references and sources anyway The Legendary Ranger (talk) 19:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2024 February 4.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 19:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:34, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect. This article was already merged to The Day the Music Died in 2016, but the redirection was inappropriately reverted. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 00:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Restore redirect per nom and Thebiguglyalien. Basically, the subject of the article fails WP:BLP1E; in fact, the article was a redirect between 2016 and November 2023. It's unclear why the article was restored, given the complete lack of footnotes in this article (even without the BLP1E concerns). – Epicgenius (talk) 00:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as the most appropriate place for this. — Maile  (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Changing my position to Keep, as dialogues on this page give me second thoughts. This man's place in history is notable. There's enough sourced info in the article - more detail than the Buddy Holly article - to warrant a keep. — Maile  (talk) 13:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Redirect – Restore redirect, no notability outside of one event, investigative details are part of crash article.-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  22:53, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * After reviewing changes to the article and arguements listed here, my suggestion remains to redirect. Scanning through quite a few entries within Category:Victims of aviation accidents or incidents in the United States and into subsequent articles specific to the crash, none of the pilots had an article. I just do not see how Peterson meets GNG outside of the one–event exclusion.-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  00:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * When referencing WP:OTHER stuff, we should at least compare apples to apples. Edward Smith (sea captain), Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten and Ernest M. McSorley are examples of deceased navigators who are only notable for the transportation disaster they presided over. These disasters all entered the popular culture in some way, similar to the Day the Music Died (the first example produced books and movies, the third produced a song; the second was the deadliest plane crash in history).  Stony Brook  babble 13:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Redirect as a WP:ATD. Subject does not have the notability for a standalone article. Let&#39;srun (talk) 15:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Contrary to nom, I don't see this as being a "classic case of WP:ONE EVENT". That distinction I would reserve for something like Articles for deletion/Suleman Dawood, where the teenaged Dawood was simply along for the ride on the Titan as one of the five passengers, and too young to have accomplished anything notable. Not so here, where the subject, although himself an inherently low-profile individual, was nonetheless made high-profile by dint of the fact that the entire disaster&mdash;with the subsequent fallout in the music industry (the crash was comparable to an earthquake that hit "rock, roll" [sic] right at its gestation point)&mdash;would not have occurred at all if not for Peterson's central role as the pilot who flew the plane with the three rockers into the ground moments after take off. The same could hardly be said about Dawood. WP:BIO1E states: Information about the pilot's personal background, training, certification, and suitability to be a pilot are therefore understandably very important for the readers in order for them to be able to make sense of what happened there that day. This seems to have been the conclusion reached in the first AfD, which took place around the 50th anniversary of the crash (funny how these discussions always seem to come around anniversary time, this one on the 65th). A redirect would result in most of this background information disappearing, with no resultant benefit to the reader. Per WP:SPINOFF, a merge likewise doesn't seem to be the right solution, since the biographical detail on the pilot is simply UNDUE there, as all the extraneous information about the passengers, as well as the pilot, are kept in their own articles, along with the very useful photographs for each, which I assume would clog the parent article. As far as nom's other concern goes, multiple reliable secondary sources have now been added to the article. As for Epicgenius' point about the page being a redirect for a while, that was done by the same nom of this motion. And I'm not aware of any discussion (besides this one) that was held after the first AfD to assess any change of consensus. All I found was this, which seems to corroborate what I've written here.  Stony Brook  babble 06:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not following this logic. The second paragraph of Roger Peterson (pilot) is pretty much duplicated at The Day the Music Died already. The first paragraph of that section seems relatively mundane and I'm not sure how it [is] understandably very important for the readers in order for them to be able to make sense of what happened there that day. Roger Peterson (pilot) is really more about the accident that the pilot, and that section could be merged with The Day the Music Died. Restore redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per StonyBrook. 64.141.44.242 (talk) 06:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.