Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger W. Pageau (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  delete. Jayjg (talk) 00:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Roger W. Pageau
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While going through some old laundry on my talk page I came across this. I closed the first AFD on this subject as "merge" which was followed up by this message on my talk page. Just noticed today that the article is still in limbo.

The article is a poorly sourced BLP, no google news hits, and standard google hits just show announcements of his installation as grand master, directory entries, and blog posts. Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There are Google News hits, which you can see by simply clicking on the "news" link above. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess I need to work on my "google fu". Those weren't there when I did a straight "news" search. Of all the ones found by clicking above, only this one from a local paper is more then a trivial mention. The rest are about other people being appointed to various positions. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - since previous merge decision was rejected. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:13, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Only in England is a Grand Master of Masons notable, and not for that position alone, but because he is a member of the nobility. Most GMs are in a progressive line and serve for a year, but it depends on the jurisdiction.  In this case, it's three, but length of term does not indicate notability either.  The subject simply does not meet the GNG. MSJapan (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree that being Grand Master of a Masonic Grand Lodge is not on its own sufficiently notable. In the US alone there are over 100 Grand Lodges (at least two in each state), each with its own Grand Master.  Also, I note that the article in question may be out of date... According to the source, Pageau was Grand Master of GL-Mass in 2007... so he may no longer be in office.  A former Grand Master is even more non-notable than one that is in office. Given the more than 200 years of American history, the list of former Grand Masters is in the tens of thousands. Blueboar (talk) 13:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Notability and verifiability depend on coverage in reliable sources. Such sources don't magically unwrite themselves when an article subject leaves a position. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete If there was significant content that might be of some use to someone it might be a different story, but an uncategorized orphan stub about nothing needs to be sliced. Carrite (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge per the previous AfD. Nothing in the discussion above gives any reason why this content shouldn't be covered in the article about the Grand Lodge, along with any other Grand Masters who are verifiable to have held that position. Notability only applies to article subjects, not to content within articles. If anyone objects to the decision of the previous AfD not yet being implemented then the way to fix that it to use the edit tab and do it yourself rather than to call for deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - for same reasons mentioned above. kcylsnavS 13:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.