Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger Westman (artist)


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The result was prodecural. Procedural close - article deleted as a sockpuppet creation 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Roger Westman (artist)

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We have recently deleted Edwin Westman and Kenneth Westman (writer) as hoaxes - see this AfD discussion. Roger Westman is by the same author. Of the few references where I could see anything, the content about the guy is minimal. So I am nominating this article as "non-notable" rather than hoax. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.   OxonAlex    - talk  13:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.   OxonAlex    - talk  13:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions.   OxonAlex    - talk  13:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I think that this is not a hoax, too. However, there are two problems with the subject.  First, as mentioned, the actual sources are not in depth at all.  The 1957 studentship award is a directory listing of award recipients containing just a name and a year.  The 1981 exhibitions are a 1 sentence footnote in a book and a 1 sentence example in New Scientist respectively.  Second, nothing that I can find conclusively links the student in the 1950s and the crewmember on the television series in the 2010s named Roger Ulick Branch Westman with the Roger Westman of the 1980s, given 1-sentence mentions in the sources with no context as to who xe actually is.  This is a biography constructed by stitching together factoids that are two to three decades apart from each other, with no published source showing that those factoids are actually connected via one person. All that said, I recommend a visit to Sockpuppet investigations/ItchyJP via Draft:Roger Ulich Branch Westman and Special:Diff/899034327. Uncle G (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Roger Westman (artist) and Roger Ulick Branch Westman on IMDb are one in the same. He does meet Wikipedias notability guideline as a noted architect-turned-artist and has made considerable contributions to architecture from his time leaving the AA until recently. This article should not be put up for deletion but should instead have a template suggesting links to sources that validate his notability. A quick glance on IMDb biography shows that they are indeed the same person - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10312457/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm. It would be a mistake to speedily delete this page when there are sources online to validate notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bauhaus1919-33 (talk • contribs)
 * IMDB makes no mention of the Roger Westman of the 1980s.  These are disconnected factoids over several decades, as I said, and you offer nothing to substantiate anything else, or indeed to show that this person's life and works have been documented in depth anywhere.  Uncle G (talk) 09:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


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