Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger Williams (organist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Roger Williams (organist)

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Clean-up template has not seen better sourcing forthcoming over the last 7 years. Though Williams has clearly had a long and respectable career at the University of Aberdeen, and has had the occasional gushing article in the local Aberdeen press, I don't think he meets WP:GNG as a musician nor an academic. His biography is entirely unsourced and the Aberdeen University articles are, well, not independent of their employee. Sionk (talk) 16:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Wales. Shellwood (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - added 3 more citations. I'd point out that notability is not dependent on whether editors bother to update an article; and that it is normal to source basic facts of a career from CVs and similar employer-based websites, especially for academics where other sources for such information usually don't exist. Williams has certainly had a distinguished career; he has certainly been awarded an MBE; and he is both well-known for his many performances (at Aberdeen and elsewhere), and he has taken the unusual step of commissioning new organ works from numerous other composers. I've added some more facts and three new sources, have removed some uncited claims, and have cited several existing claims. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts, but I raised the Afd on the basis of lack of notability, not lack of verification. Listings announcements from his employer(s), websites of non-journalistic organisations, don't prove notability. They simply prove he exists. Generally on Wikipedia not even OBE's confer notability, so well done to him for the MBE, but... Sionk (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting, please review article changes since the page was nominated. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  03:07, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment another fellow with a common name, all I can find are links to the university or yearbook-type items. Even searching with his full name doesn't pull up much. He's on Tidal and quite a few other streaming sites, but not much I can find for notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 18:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * His MBE designations isn't much help, it's the lowest order in the award and there are over 100,000 recipients. Certainly a respectable award, but hard to pull up information based on that alone. Oaktree b (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've searched using a selection of keywords including "organist", "Aberdeen", and the names of the various institutions mentioned. Seemed to work. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.