Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roman Catholic teachings on pacifism and Just War


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The result was   delete.  Wifione  Message 17:04, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Roman Catholic teachings on pacifism and Just War

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This is a very nice essay but it is almost entirely original research - interpretations of Catholic Church Catechism without any real outside commentary. There are probably a good many books that deal with the Church's attitude toward war and peace but that doesn't make it a suitable topic for an encyclopedic article. Theoretically we could create articles about the Church's attitude toward a wide range of things ("strife" is just one of fifteen listed in a list which ends with "...and the like"). In the end, we already have articles on pacifism and Just War and the many conflicts in which the Catholic Church has been involved. Stalwart 111  03:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Although claims are sourced, the conclusions reached are WP:OR. A further concern I have not previously mentioned is that this article attempts to group the myriad of thoughts and beliefs of the catholic church into one static policy. Sulfurboy (talk) 07:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Duplicate topic to Just war theory, which is largely about Roman Catholic theology. No need for a separate article. Merge might be possible, but some of it seems questionable interpretation and/or original research. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment If you check the sources, you'll see I took word-for-word verses from the Catechism, only paraphrased. Silly comments about Church attitude and policy aside, I agree it should be merged with the just war theory article, so long as the section Just War Doctrine isn't attacked for being about a Church Doctrine - because that's what it is; it's not a theory, it's a Doctrine according to the Church herself. Hence, any reinterpretation of Doctrine as "policy" or "ideology" is anti-catholic, whereas Wikipedia is neutral. Oct13 (talk) 12:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Reproducing church doctrine without comment or criticism is hardly neutral! You need criticism and interpretation. If we wanted merely the text of church documents, we could read the original documents not a paraphrase. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:OR essay that also attempts to cover topic of an existing article. Title not really usable as a search topic for redirect. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 00:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete as an original essay. Carrite (talk) 04:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as a WP:OR essay, based on primary sources. I hope that the author will contribute to the Just War article, but it would be best to start fresh, rather than merging. -- 101.119.15.173 (talk) 07:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.