Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romanian-American Congress


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  03:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Romanian-American Congress

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AfD tag was applied by an IP with the edit summary "There is no such organization! As has been discussed for 15 years already. So, it's way past time to remove this fake nonsense". After looking at the article and doing some WP:BEFORE work, I'm taking on the nomination duties myself. Article has existed without references since its creation in 2006, and I couldn't find any hint that the organization even exists, much less that it meets notability standards. I was tempted to tag it for a speedy but refrained since if it's a hoax it's not obvious enough for G3 and the claim of being "the biggest Romanian-American cultural organization" could be interpreted as enough of a claim of notability to avert an A7. That said, the organization is not even listed at the Romanian embassy's list of Romanian-American organizations unless it's being confused with the "Congress Of Romanian Americans", for which I didn't find enough to establish notability either and whose web domain appears to have been taken over by a Portuguese-language film site. --Finngall talk 15:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. --Finngall talk  15:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. --Finngall talk  15:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support deletion. Burn this. Even if it is found out to be real, it still fails notability. If this is confirmed as a hoax, it would make it the longest-lasting hoax on the English Wikipedia. Wizzito (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment looks to exist in the Library of Congress (see the little authority control box). Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 19:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - Elli made a good point with the Library of Congress, but this organization doesn't exactly seem like the one to be 'the largest' with so few sources. So, either this is a hoax or a grossly exaggerated article that fails WP:GNG. Also, note that the original creator of the article is banned for sockpuppetry. I don't know if the existence of it in the Library of Congress should be trusted, those could be user-generated as well. Wizzito (talk) 19:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Doesn't appear to be a hoax, although the real name is "Congresul Național Român-American" which translates to "Romanian-American National Congress" per the LoC page. Based on that translation I found this book they published about the Iron Guard, and this collection of papers in the Online Archive of California about a former president of the group named George Duma. A text search of the book "Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party" describes the group as affiliated with the Iron Guard as well as the World Anti-Communist League and other groups ranging from conservative to fascist. This court case describes the group as a member of the National Confederation of American Ethnic Groups, which appears to have been a white ethnic organization; this book excerpt says that the NCAEG and the Romanian-American National Congress were among multiple groups that caused a controversy for George H. W. Bush's 1998 campaign after they left the Republican Party's Republican Heritage Groups Council when the news broke that they had "ties to Nazis and Nazi collaborators". I'm not arguing for or against deletion, just sharing what I found. ezlev $tlk ctrbs$ 20:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Meh, just delete it. The existing name and content don't match the sources anyone has found, and nobody has found sources to support the existence of the existing name and content, let alone to establish notability. This AfD will still be here if I or anyone else wants to create an article for the "Romanian-American National Congress", which is described and sourced above, and probably isn't the group this article is meant to be about. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 00:02, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. It can be assumed that either this is a blatant hoax, this is all a really stupid lie to make the Romanian-American National Congress look good to people who can't look things up for themselves such as us, clearly, this is actually the Romanian-American Foundation erroneously under a different name (note similar purpose, though the RAF only came into existence in 2008, two years after this article was written), there actually was a separate "Romanian-American Congress" that existed briefly but went nowhere and was given this fake article for no reason, or this is a secret society we shouldn't know about and we're all going to die. It's probably one of the first four. Regardless, this is unsourced, the name doesn't exist, and the claims the article makes are false. Congratulations on catching the oldest hoax on the wiki, folks! AdoTang (talk) 00:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's a non profit company in California. According to "cabusinessdb", the company was founded in 2016 and it was already closed by the local authorities. Anyway, there are no good sources. Dr.KBAHT (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say that that's probably not it, since this article was made in 2006, but that's quite a coincidence. I wonder what they did to get shut down. AdoTang (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


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