Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romar Morris


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:35, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Romar Morris

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This article was PRODded but sources have been added since. Subject is an American football player who has been signed to the Jets practice squad this year and hasn't played any NFL games -- therefore not meeting the requirements of WP:NGRIDIRON.  A  Train talk 10:23, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete has not played in any professional games, does not meet the notability requirements for football player.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep while I agree that the subject does not meet WP:NGRIDIRON, a simple google news search turns up hundreds of articles about his college football career. Granted that many of those are "blog-type" posts and may have issues with WP:RS, but I'm also finding NY Times, ESPN, and regional newspapers.  Clearly passes WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:13, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking at a Google News search, I see that most of these hits are routine game coverage and passing mentions. Reliable source hits need to provide significant coverage to satisfy GNG. • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Look deeper. Google News is populated with a lot of that transaction stuff now because it's current.  Chicago Tribune, Syracuse Post-Standard, ESPN, Deseret News, New York Times, and USA Today all have articles about his college career or his legal issues.  He should be considered notable from collegiate play and coverage.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Just for the record, he's not on the practice squad. That's only during the regular season. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:05, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't pass WP:NGRIDIRON or WP:GNG. Passing GNG as an athlete requires coverage that exceeds routine sports coverage (which is more indicative of the notability of the team). Transaction pieces don't clear that bar, even in major papers. The closest thing I found to substantial coverage in a reliable source that focused on the athlete himself was here, but that's just a bio piece from his hometown paper. I don't see evidence of Morris being notable independent of the teams he's briefly been a part of. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:18, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply Aside from the two articles concerning the DWI, the links you give are routine coverage and passing mentions. The DWI article don't go deep either. Not enough to pass GNG. • Gene93k (talk) 11:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Disagree I do not believe that is a correct assessment. The information in the article is far more than basic score or box scores as declared by the WP:ROUTINE guideline.  For details, see essay WP:NOTROUTINE.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment please don't take the "bold" to be anger or anything offensive. Just following the style.  My reply is not meant to be harsh but it might be taken that way without clarification. --Paul McDonald (talk) 18:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There is clear consensus that the subject does not meet WP:NGRIDIRON. Please comment specifically whether he meets WP:GNG based on already presented refs or refs you find (not on Google searches etc). Thank you.
 * Comment - Romar's college stats are a bit underwhelming (his best season was 386 rushing yards as a freshman, dropping off to 64 yards as a senior), but this article and this one (both from Romar's hometown newspaper) look like significant coverage. This from the Star-News might also be considered significant coverage. These two articles by themselves are kind of thin to satisfy WP:GNG. Also, I am a bit reluctant to rely on press reports of an athlete's DWI arrest as a principal basis for establishing notability. Cbl62 (talk) 00:14, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as it's clear he's not applicable for the football notability hence there's essentially nothing actually convincing from there. SwisterTwister   talk  04:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ymblanter (talk) 07:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Cbl62's comment. I believe there just isn't enough to suggest Morris meets WP:GNG at this time. My points are mostly rehashes of what has been said but: a.) his college career was uneventful, b.) DUI arrest shouldn't be the basis for an article and c.) he had an unspectacular training camp in New York, spending most of it injured, and is now on IR for the year. The soonest we hear from him again is likely mid 2017, if that. -- The Writer 2.0 Talk 03:05, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I suppose we can agree that a DUI arrest "shouldn't" be the basis for an article, but the extent of the coverage does point toward notability.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:33, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete The GNG and the SNG are compatible--according to the SNG we do not presume notability in him at the current status--and the lack of substantial references bears it out.  DGG ( talk ) 00:42, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Query What is "SNG" ?--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:54, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails to meet gridiron. BlackAmerican (talk) 08:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


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