Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romsey Town Rollerbillies


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The result was   delete. causa sui (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Romsey Town Rollerbillies

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Contested A7 speedy. Article on a roller derby team (not really a league) without any notability. One article in Stars and Stripes is not sufficient, and isn't an independent source, since the team is based on a RAF base and has many army members. The only other sources are articles mentioning that team X will play this team, without any further details on the Romsey Town team. Perhaps a closer look at many of the other roller derby team and league articles is necessary as well, things like Dolly Rockit Rollers or Granite City Roller Girls seem to haev dubious notability as well, but this AfD os for the Romsey Town ones alone. Fram (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I created the article and contested the speedy, although I agree that it might not be notable - I've created a few articles on roller derby leagues recently, and this one had the fewest reliable and independent sources available. The reference mentioned from Stars and Stripes, I would contend, is independent; it has no more link with the league than a regional newspaper based in Cambridge would have.  As Fram correctly states, although it is customary within the sport to refer to each organisation as a "league", some only field one team, and few host a substantial league competition between multiple teams.  I hope that some discussion here will prompt some consensus on what might make a roller derby league notable. Warofdreams talk 13:46, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Lean delete: The article does not appear to establish why this league is notable: Based on the article, the article does not appear to have competed in any notable competitions. None of the skaters are mentioned as being on a regional or national representative team. The league does not appear to have been important in terms of the greater roller derby scene in the United Kingdom. The league does not appear to have hosted any notable events or competitions. The article does not appear to have any local newspaper or television sources.  Examples of this being done, with bouts and skaters helping to make the league appear notable in a roller derby context can be seen in Victorian Roller Derby League, Canberra Roller Derby League, Adelaide Roller Derby, Sun State Roller Derby League.  If the article was improved to demonstrate notability, I would support a keep, but at the moment it lacks sources and demonstration of why the league is notable. --LauraHale (talk) 22:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete +1 to Laura, she's quite the derby-pedian. SarahStierch (talk) 01:21, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and re-review: I'm in a similar situation with Blue Ridge Rollergirls which I recently created, and whatever gets decided about this article should probably be done with that one also. In my case at least, the league has huge local following. Notability covers many areas and I should say that in the case of BRRG, it is their presence in the community that makes them notable, not the scores on their bouts. They have a big presence at charity events, have developed a large "junior" league that has received a lot of press, get involved with political causes, etc. It may be the same with Romsey Town Rollerbillies. I intend to beef up my article as time allows, and my history of followthrough is good. Warofdreams however beats the pants off of me. I'd give him shot to improve without a speedy delete. --Nemonoman (talk) 15:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If some one could spend a few hours looking through sources and improving the article, then problem fixed. Large local following should show up in a reliable source or two by saying things like "sold out bout" or "five thousand people attended the match."  If you can get even a single statement, with a reliable source, in the article, I'd support based on attendance along as being notable.  --LauraHale (talk) 20:55, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For this article, I think that few reliable sources exist. I've managed to locate one article in a local newspaper, but neither that nor the one in Stars and Stripes discusses attendances or activities beyond training, which is definitely problematic.  The league has not contributed skaters to any national teams; its most notable feat was probably to be a founder member of the UKRDA. Warofdreams talk 13:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 00:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Uncertain It is not clear to me whether the various leagues in the United Kingdom Roller Derby Association form a hierarchy or not. If they are all at the same level, then, technically, they're all at the top level of the sport and equally notable.   DGG ( talk ) 03:36, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There is not currently any hierarchy, although the UKRDA state on their website that they are planning to introduce some sort of ranking system in future. Warofdreams talk 08:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Interesting enough that strict application of notability rules is inappropriate.
 * WP:INTERESTING? Fram (talk) 12:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - I'm really unsure of this one. I think it likely that there may be sources out there enough to tip the scales toward keeping it, but I'm not finding them. I would definitely say no prejudice against recreation. Trusilver  20:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This: If sources are found at a later date, or if the press gives it coverage at a later date, no prejudice in recreating. If a member of the league joins the English roster, or rankings were created and the team appeared on it, I would support a recreation of the article with out prejudice. --LauraHale (talk) 20:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I admit I am not familiar with the sport, at least before reading the relevant Wikipedia articles, but I find LauraHale's explanation about what makes for notability in this area extremely reasonable and a suitable guideline.    DGG ( talk ) 23:02, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to United Kingdom Roller Derby Association. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
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