Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Karr (speaker)


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Ron Karr (speaker)

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Promotional article that fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:AUTHOR. Logical Cowboy (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete I removed the primary and other unreliable sources. Maybe someone can find a bunch of book reviews in commercial databases (ebsco, gale) - but I don't feel compelled to look since the article creator was presumably paid to do that already and didn't find any. I don't think the three existing reliable sources are enough for GNG. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete; low notability, and promotional. bobrayner (talk) 22:23, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep; Ron Karr is indeed notable as he and his books have been featured in a number of reputable publications and he has had several TV appearances. In particular, I don't understand why the Negotiator Magazine and CNBC references were deleted. I just added an AOL.com reference.  Full disclosure:  Ron Karr is a friend and a client of my marketing firm.--TriJenn (talk) 23:05, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment thanks for disclosing your COI. The AOL article/advertorial does not push him over the threshold of WP:ANYBIO or WP:AUTHOR.  Logical Cowboy (talk) 23:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Negotiator Magazine is an article by Karr, not about Karr. Likewise CNBC was a Press Release issued by Karr. Anyone can publish things and claim fame based on their own publications. Thus, we depend on sources independent of the subject. Re: AOL.. not sure if that's a legitimate independent news source or a marketing outlet, need more input on that question. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 00:34, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 06:33, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Looking through the first few pages of Google hits, his notability seems to derive from profiles and self-promotion on the one hand and the NSA on the other (again--just based on the first pages). There's just not enough to go by to establish notability. if his books have been reviewed/featured extensively in reliable sources it would help his case to find those. Depending on their extent and content, it might end up that the book is notable in its own right. --Rhododendrites (talk) 14:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
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