Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Mathias


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The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 22:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Ron Mathias

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Mathias cannot be presumed notable under NHOOP because the USBL, a spring league, is not under the guideline. Streetball and community college also do not help the case. He needs to meet GNG which is failed with the majority of the sources simply being passing mentions. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 14:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:46, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete being in the top 50 streetballers of all time is something you tell your grandkids about, not something that gets you on Wikipedia. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:55, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Being in the top 50 streetballers does not get you on Wikipedia. But having significant coverage in reliable sources does. The references in the article from the Sun Sentinel are sufficient to demonstrate notability, and it looks like he's been profiled in off-line sources such as Swee' Pea and Other Playground Legends. Pburka (talk) 03:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The Sun Sentinel sources are human interest pieces that don't provide critical analysis or other coverage that we would ordinarily expect from sports figures who don't meet HOOPS to pass GNG. My earlier !vote was being a bit cute, but semi-professional to minor league athletes like this are going to get some coverage in sources. In other words, it is WP:ROUTINE. We tend to have a higher standard for them to pass GNG because the sports topic notability guidelines are generally very low. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * could you please read TonyBallioni's response and reconsider your stance? Not trying to be pushy but your vote will most likely steer us to no consensus on a minor basketball player that does not pass notability standards of any kind.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I stand by my position. We assume notability of any sports player who's played a single top-level game, and many of them have far less coverage in reliable sources, over a much shorter time period, than does the subject of this article. We have far more information about Ron "Terminator" Matthias than we do about, e.g., a 19 year old athlete who once played Olympic handball. Given that mainstream news coverage continues to describe him as "legendary", I'd be surprised if a thorough search of specialized, off-line sources didn't yield a trove of additional sources. Pburka (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete There's some routine sports coverage, but nothing I believe that shows he meets WP:GNG. In addition, he fails to meet WP:NHOOPS. Papaursa (talk) 02:47, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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