Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Parker (2nd nomination)


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The result was   merge to Natural Law Party of Ontario. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Ron Parker
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The subject doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:POLITICIAN. The article as it stands appears to represent the entirety of sourceable content. Spicemix (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC) Redirect/Merge -- After careful consideration.....I don't see any notability here as there is no significant coverage, only minor mentions in a few sources. It's clear he does not have "significant coverage" in the media and WP:Politician does not contain any special clause for party leaders, especially those that are only leaders of the party in a state or province. I agree with User:Squareanimal that WP is useful for minor facts, like who was the province leader of a defunct independent party with no electoral success, but a redirect/merge into Natural Law Party of Canada would retain that info just as well. I don't see any reason to maintain a stub on a non-notable, non-active, never elected politician.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 17:40, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment-- In the prior nomination in 2008 (seen here) the BLP was a unanimous keep. But that was based on the premise that he was the leader of the Natural Law Party for Canada Ontario. This was implied in the article but was never cited by any sources and that text has since been removed. The sources that I found (election records) say he was a business man. Can anyone access the Ottawa Citizen source in the article? I could not find it even in the Ottawa Citizen archives.-- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 20:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Parker was the leader of the Natural Law Party of Ontario, not the Natural Law Party of Canada. Evidence of this can be procured without difficulty, if need be. There was a general consensus in 2008 that leaders of registered parties were notable, though I'm not sure that this consensus still holds at present. No vote for the time being. CJCurrie (talk) 01:59, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks CJ, I've corrected by comment above to indicate Ontario not Canada. However, I am unable to find a source (in the Natural Law Party of Canada or Natural Law Party of Ontario articles) that supports the assertion that he was party leader for Ontario. Can you point us to one? Thanks,-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 20:32, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's an online reference: Eye Weekly, 20 May 1999. CJCurrie (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've added it to the article.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 14:21, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
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Weak Keep / Neutral Not sure this meets WP:GNG, but in general party leaders, even of Provinces rather than countries, should qualify for Wikipedia. It's for things like this that Wikipedia is useful.Squareanimal (talk) 10:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC) <hr style="width:55%;" />
 * Delete Always at the political fringe and often derided for its kookiness, It's not as if the NLP was ever a mainstream party. I get next to zip when searching "'Ron Parker' natural law". There might be something in the local printed press, but all signs are that Ontario NLP leader doesn't add up to much, and he doesn't meet our WP:GNG. --  Ohc  ¡digame! 14:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment — I feel delete is still justified, but I'd go with a merge/redirect to the NLP of Canada article. Ron Parker appears to have no notability beyond his role as an unelected provincial party leader. Spicemix (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * For leaders of political parties, the current practice is that they're allowed to have standalone articles, regardless of the party's mainstreamness or fringiness, if the resulting article can be properly sourced. Sometimes there are sufficient sources to make them notable enough to stand on their own, and sometimes there aren't — but if there aren't, then the person should be redirected to and discussed briefly in the main article on the political party itself rather than having a separate standalone BLP. The sourcing here is weak; two of the four references are to election results tables on Elections Canada (which serve to verify his vote totals, but cannot demonstrate notability), and the other two references are not sufficient to pass the substantial coverage test. So unless somebody can spruce it up with much better referencing than this, he needs to be merged into the party's article. Redirect to Natural Law Party of Ontario. Bearcat (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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