Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Van Rossum


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The result was   delete. causa sui (talk) 03:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Ron Van Rossum

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Appears to fail WP:NMUSIC. Article was tagged to improve secondary sources to help establish notability, but tags were removed with only primary sources added. I have tried to search for reliable secondary sources to establish notability, but am unable to locate them. My search may be hindered by my inability to search in either French or Flemish, so I hope an editor capable in those languages will be able to turn up more reliable sources. But unless that happens, it appears that this musician does not yet have the notability required for an article on Wikipedia. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - No page on the Dutch WP about him. Notability seems questionable. MakeSense64 (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions.  —ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  —ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ron Van Rossum is a well known jazz piano player, especially in Belgium and Holland, but unfortunately he has no homepage. Where is the difference to this article about Hein Van de Geyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hein_Van_de_Geyn ? No secondary sources are cited there. So if you remove Ron, please remove Hein as well, and many others... As I participated to a jazz workshop last week and met a range of famous Belgian jazz musicians, I was motivated to write articles about them in wikipedia, in English, German, French and Luxembourgian. My motivation has now fallen near to zero. --Christian Ries (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Christian Ries, if you feel that Van Rossum is notable, then please do provide reliable sources to indicate that. You may find the writings at WP:SOURCES useful in guiding your search for such sources.  In terms of the other musician you mention, please review WP:WAX, and if another article is not appropriately sourced, please try to add reliable sources to it as well.  If you are unable to locate such sources, then by all means nominate it for deletion as well.  ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jazz notified. AllyD (talk) 23:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there nobody else who has a comment or will this be decided by one admin alone? How about some contributors to the wikiproject jazz? By the way, I don't think it's a question of having a feeling about something. I know Mr. Van Rossum and I know a little bit about the Belgian Jazz Scene. I suppose the English Wikipedia is not restricted to west coast, east cost and her majesty's subjects? --Christian Ries (talk) 18:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment As has been said above, the essential issue is to locate reliable sources demonstrating notability. I've found a couple of passing mentions at Allaboutjazz but essentially passing mention as sideman (e.g. Jack Bowers review) which isn't enough. Rather than speculate about restrictions on the English Wikipedia, better to seek out some references. AllyD (talk) 19:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete because of a lack of independent reliable secondary sources to establish notability. If Christian Ries or others believe I am in error here, please carefully review WP:MUSICBIO and explain in detail (with appropriate sources) how the subject meets at least one of the listed criteria.   Rich wales (talk · contribs) 16:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
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